Issue on The Buffalo
Issue on The Buffalo
There is an issue of a factory hog farm to be built on the Big Creek, a tributary of the Buffalo, run off of hog manure would impact the Buffalo. There is a swell of support for stopping the hog farm before it is built.
A permit has been issued by A. D. E. Q. to build a hog farm on Big Creek on Big Creek in Newton Co. , which is a tributary to Buffalo National River. Contact water-draft-permit-comment@adeq.state.ar.us. Engineers name who approved this is Stephen Hoggen.
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The Newton County Quorom Court meeting will be held on Monday March 4th at 7:00 PM at the Court House in Jasper. The Mt. Judea hog farm will be discussed. The Buffalo National River belongs to the people. Be there and show your support.
More Information Contact Mike at the Buffalo River Chamber of Commerce for more information:
Phone/VMail/Fax 888-788-6456
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Ellie
501-247-5935
A permit has been issued by A. D. E. Q. to build a hog farm on Big Creek on Big Creek in Newton Co. , which is a tributary to Buffalo National River. Contact water-draft-permit-comment@adeq.state.ar.us. Engineers name who approved this is Stephen Hoggen.
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The Newton County Quorom Court meeting will be held on Monday March 4th at 7:00 PM at the Court House in Jasper. The Mt. Judea hog farm will be discussed. The Buffalo National River belongs to the people. Be there and show your support.
More Information Contact Mike at the Buffalo River Chamber of Commerce for more information:
Phone/VMail/Fax 888-788-6456
http://www.buffaloriverchamber.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
News@BuffaloRiverChamber.com
Ellie
501-247-5935
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Thanks, MissEllie, for bringing this up. To allow a commercial hog farm to be built on Big Creek, on the Buffalo River watershed, is inexcusable. I hope everyone gets involved and stops this tragedy.
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This issue has been raised on here several times by several people, and in my mind that's a good thing. Here's a link to the first time. http://forums.arkansascanoeclub.com/vie ... =1&t=22724" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; There's a petition on change.org that's accumulating signatures as we speak, and there's a link on the Ozark Society's page that provides even greater detail.
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After noon Mr Luke,
At the ACC BOD meeting last night, your name was brought up as a man going out of his way to help our club.
The newsletter is one important way to improve communication between our club.
You, my friend are doing a great job with it and we appreciate you.
Maybe I will get to cook you an appreciation version upside down DO Dave pineapple cake and brew a giant cowboy coffee pot for all of us to set on a gravel bar, look up at the bluffs and give thanks for the Buffalo and our ability to enjoy it!
Well Done!
At the ACC BOD meeting last night, your name was brought up as a man going out of his way to help our club.
The newsletter is one important way to improve communication between our club.
You, my friend are doing a great job with it and we appreciate you.
Maybe I will get to cook you an appreciation version upside down DO Dave pineapple cake and brew a giant cowboy coffee pot for all of us to set on a gravel bar, look up at the bluffs and give thanks for the Buffalo and our ability to enjoy it!
Well Done!
Okieboater AKA Dave Reid
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Aw shux, Dave! Made me feel so good I finally remembered to renew my membership. So many of you guys have helped me with river beta, outfitting advice, paddling instruction, shuttling and friendship. This bunch is easy to help. I will take you up on the cake, though.
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You got it, Bro!!!!
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I know DeBo just got home from the meeting; but don't know the details yet, just that she went...
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Went to the meeting, Quorom court has no power in this, and if they did, they would approve 10 more facilities just like this one. They just want economic opportunity in Newton Co. in any form, their attitudes about the river have not changed in 40 years. Makes me appreciate the courage it took for Neil Compton and the Ozark Society to go to battle for the river. Called the Governors office and was told that the reason this has been approved is because of a lawsuit that the E.P.A. lost on the east coast. The statement was "Governor Beebe does not like this, and neither does Teresa Marks". I asked, then where is the outrage?, he told me that law determines how much space is available for public notification in print. I asked, why didn't the governors office let organizations such as the Ozark Society or the Arkansas Canoe Club know about this so that publicity could be generated before this went too far. Just because one lawsuit went against the E.P.A. doesn't mean the state should not try and protect it's crown jewel. Clarke was the guy's name, he was very helpful and promised to call me back. I believe only the governor or Cargill can stop the destruction of the Buffalo River, but time is running out. I wonder if Wal-Mart is Cargills biggest customer? Sam sure did love the river.
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There is currently a shortage of bacon, food, and understanding that large animal feeding operations are needed to produce enough food for everyone.
This "threat" has been blown way out of proportion.
To me it's more about a bunch of people being upset that they were not paying enough attention ahead of time. It happens.
Face it, most public notice is minimal and placed on the web where the public is supposed to find it. By golly, there are threats to all waterways and I encourage everyone to do what you can near yours to make a difference rather than pitch a fit over spilled milk.
I love the buffalo and don't see this as a threat and I work in the field.
By the way I was recently at a volunteer day to improve the river stability and riparian area and saw nobody else from the club, or ozark society there. This has happened several times as well.
There is a lot of sensationalism taking place on the topic currently from my perspective.
Being concerned and involved os not bad, and is what should happen. There are greater threats to the river out there that lay in wait.
If anyone, doubted that people still keep close watch on the river have certainly learned otherwise from this public outcry that has taken place.
This "threat" has been blown way out of proportion.
To me it's more about a bunch of people being upset that they were not paying enough attention ahead of time. It happens.
Face it, most public notice is minimal and placed on the web where the public is supposed to find it. By golly, there are threats to all waterways and I encourage everyone to do what you can near yours to make a difference rather than pitch a fit over spilled milk.
I love the buffalo and don't see this as a threat and I work in the field.
By the way I was recently at a volunteer day to improve the river stability and riparian area and saw nobody else from the club, or ozark society there. This has happened several times as well.
There is a lot of sensationalism taking place on the topic currently from my perspective.
Being concerned and involved os not bad, and is what should happen. There are greater threats to the river out there that lay in wait.
If anyone, doubted that people still keep close watch on the river have certainly learned otherwise from this public outcry that has taken place.
"The challenge goes on. There are other lands and rivers, other wilderness areas, to save and to share with all. I challenge you to step forward to protect and care for the wild places you love best"
- Neil Compton
- Neil Compton
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Your point that we are consuming ever increasing quantities of food and must live with the consequences is valid. It might also be true that there is a bit of sensationalism, but in my view that's merely a byproduct of the necessity of bringing this to the public's attention as quickly and effectively as possible. If Debbie was only recently made aware of this then I'm confident that notice was insignificant at best. Public outcry is often the only thing standing in the way of a bad decision, and as the public it is our responsibility to do what we can regardless of the perceived outcome.Half Ton wrote:There is currently a shortage of bacon, food, and understanding that large animal feeding operations are needed to produce enough food for everyone.
This "threat" has been blown way out of proportion.
To me it's more about a bunch of people being upset that they were not paying enough attention ahead of time. It happens.
Face it, most public notice is minimal and placed on the web where the public is supposed to find it. By golly, there are threats to all waterways and I encourage everyone to do what you can near yours to make a difference rather than pitch a fit over spilled milk.
I love the buffalo and don't see this as a threat and I work in the field.
By the way I was recently at a volunteer day to improve the river stability and riparian area and saw nobody else from the club, or ozark society there. This has happened several times as well.
There is a lot of sensationalism taking place on the topic currently from my perspective.
Being concerned and involved os not bad, and is what should happen. There are greater threats to the river out there that lay in wait.
If anyone, doubted that people still keep close watch on the river have certainly learned otherwise from this public outcry that has taken place.
We've all seen posts for riparian restoration projects we wanted to join but were unable to for various reasons. You have as well I'm sure, but that has no bearing on whether this particular issue is worthy of the club's attention. One need not be an ecologist to see the potential for a contamination event with far reaching and lasting implications resulting from this.
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Got no problem with any of this except that it is on the Buffalo, I understand completely that these good folks need some good economic news. However I believe that the Buffalo is an extraordinary stream, and deserves a better level of protection than all the others in the state. Almost all of the other float streams are in the National Forest and this wouldn't be an issue as much. Half Ton, thank you for your efforts and I will be at your next event for riparian restoration unless it is impossible. However, I respectfully disagree, the river will be compromised, the only question is when. Folks, just do a drive by of a commercial hog operation and smell for yourself.
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To further clarify, regardless of appetite size.... The population with appetite is more numerous each day than the day before.
On the issue of smell - if smell was bad for water quality hikers and boaters would be banned from the river....at least for multi day trips!
Smell can be bad from a hog operation, but its not smell that can impact water quality directly. Air quality yes, water quality no. I could see neighbors being upset about smell and using the buffalo as a back up reason greater than their own selfish and perhaps reasonable excuse of "smells bad"
Smells bad was also part of the misperception that poultry litter polluted the Illinois river. Again not true or directly related.
Manure production and management is a potential pollution problem that can impact water quality for sure....potentially. Not for certain.
If we are looking at potential threats, which we are, what else is left? A lot.
Salt on roads for people to drive when conditions are bad, increasing percentages of impervious areas in the watershed, thousands of gravel bar deposits by people, road concrete and asphalt sealants on the roads, poor stream corridor practices on the tribs, poor forestry practices, poor grazing management, poor county planning, poor city planning, personal care product use in the river like soap and shampoo, endocrine disrupters and emerging contaminant inputs from tourists urinating on and near river, cattle in streams, all the trash that is frequently found, failing septic systems, automobile fluids, illegal dumps, and on and on.
The people in these counties that are in charge do not care much for outsiders in general. From what I could tell the old animosity population was literally dying off. To aggravate them further at this point is not a good move when we could be working with them to address many of the issues.
I've always heard that everyone wants clean water, but the difference is in how we get there. For me, I'll go to the watershed and volunteer at stream team events when I can, and share water quality education materials to folks in those counties.
Hopefully they are learning that water quality protection is everyone's responsibility and that we sll have a role to play. Everyone is a polluter to an extent. There is really no escaping the fact. So the solution is for us sll to do our part to minimize our pollution, and encourage others to do the same.
Regarding the protected Buffalo- it's still much more protected than any other waterway in the state via regulations, and that us exactly why we all need to do as much as we can for all the others which are not protected at all for the most part.
I've heard it said a couple of times that conservation activists are often to reactionary rather than pro-active. What a true statement. Nobody can be on the ball all of the time, and nobody has a crystal ball to predict the future.
What we do know though, is that this watershed will see growth and develop more in the future and has many more potential threats looming. So do all of the other rivers in the state for the most part.
Regardless, there's nothing like a perceived crisis to get a lot of different parties together to avert similar crisis in the future.
More than anything, I wanted to speak up to present perspective from an Arkie that cares for the river and works with water quality management with several different stakeholder groups such as farmers, municipalities, homeowners, landowners, individuals, govment and so on to help out water quality.
Debbie is a role model of mine, and I greatly respect her vigilance toward looking out for our environment and its critters. All the people that wrote letters and were involved in the letter writing are also heros of mine for being involved in trying to do something to help protect the river as they saw fit...even if I disagree about the level of "threat".
On the issue of smell - if smell was bad for water quality hikers and boaters would be banned from the river....at least for multi day trips!
Smell can be bad from a hog operation, but its not smell that can impact water quality directly. Air quality yes, water quality no. I could see neighbors being upset about smell and using the buffalo as a back up reason greater than their own selfish and perhaps reasonable excuse of "smells bad"
Smells bad was also part of the misperception that poultry litter polluted the Illinois river. Again not true or directly related.
Manure production and management is a potential pollution problem that can impact water quality for sure....potentially. Not for certain.
If we are looking at potential threats, which we are, what else is left? A lot.
Salt on roads for people to drive when conditions are bad, increasing percentages of impervious areas in the watershed, thousands of gravel bar deposits by people, road concrete and asphalt sealants on the roads, poor stream corridor practices on the tribs, poor forestry practices, poor grazing management, poor county planning, poor city planning, personal care product use in the river like soap and shampoo, endocrine disrupters and emerging contaminant inputs from tourists urinating on and near river, cattle in streams, all the trash that is frequently found, failing septic systems, automobile fluids, illegal dumps, and on and on.
The people in these counties that are in charge do not care much for outsiders in general. From what I could tell the old animosity population was literally dying off. To aggravate them further at this point is not a good move when we could be working with them to address many of the issues.
I've always heard that everyone wants clean water, but the difference is in how we get there. For me, I'll go to the watershed and volunteer at stream team events when I can, and share water quality education materials to folks in those counties.
Hopefully they are learning that water quality protection is everyone's responsibility and that we sll have a role to play. Everyone is a polluter to an extent. There is really no escaping the fact. So the solution is for us sll to do our part to minimize our pollution, and encourage others to do the same.
Regarding the protected Buffalo- it's still much more protected than any other waterway in the state via regulations, and that us exactly why we all need to do as much as we can for all the others which are not protected at all for the most part.
I've heard it said a couple of times that conservation activists are often to reactionary rather than pro-active. What a true statement. Nobody can be on the ball all of the time, and nobody has a crystal ball to predict the future.
What we do know though, is that this watershed will see growth and develop more in the future and has many more potential threats looming. So do all of the other rivers in the state for the most part.
Regardless, there's nothing like a perceived crisis to get a lot of different parties together to avert similar crisis in the future.
More than anything, I wanted to speak up to present perspective from an Arkie that cares for the river and works with water quality management with several different stakeholder groups such as farmers, municipalities, homeowners, landowners, individuals, govment and so on to help out water quality.
Debbie is a role model of mine, and I greatly respect her vigilance toward looking out for our environment and its critters. All the people that wrote letters and were involved in the letter writing are also heros of mine for being involved in trying to do something to help protect the river as they saw fit...even if I disagree about the level of "threat".
"The challenge goes on. There are other lands and rivers, other wilderness areas, to save and to share with all. I challenge you to step forward to protect and care for the wild places you love best"
- Neil Compton
- Neil Compton
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The reply I received from my e-mail to ADEQ was that they held public forums on the hog farm in Fayetteville, Danville, Monticello, Hope, and Little Rock. Public notices were only posted in the Arkansas Democrat. They completed avoided the immediate area. I'm all for positive economics, but this is wrong.
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I don't really care for info like this to simply be posted on a city website(for example) and the public is expected to look there daily for info or hope that a news source picks it up and puts it in the paper or on the tv news do they can see it and be aware.
That's the trend in a lot of cases any more though. I get you about being upset about it, but that's the way it is a lot of times thes days. Take your lumps and learn to adapt. The next big deal is probably already underway, up for notice, and out of sight for the most part. If we are sulking mad and feeling sorry it really does not accomplish anything other than mutual suffering.
Head up, chin up, carry on a little wiser for the wear.
That's the trend in a lot of cases any more though. I get you about being upset about it, but that's the way it is a lot of times thes days. Take your lumps and learn to adapt. The next big deal is probably already underway, up for notice, and out of sight for the most part. If we are sulking mad and feeling sorry it really does not accomplish anything other than mutual suffering.
Head up, chin up, carry on a little wiser for the wear.
"The challenge goes on. There are other lands and rivers, other wilderness areas, to save and to share with all. I challenge you to step forward to protect and care for the wild places you love best"
- Neil Compton
- Neil Compton
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Half Ton, you would also be a hero to me, talk about getting involved, my hat is off to you and I am not in your league. However, I still disagree, how about a town of 6500 people in the same location, dealing with their waste in the same manner. As for getting the locals fired up, these good folks are my customers, neighbors, and friends, and I would never engage them in any manner other than total respect and understanding of their heritage.
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