Winslow - West Fork run

[roylancaster]

We will be adding and changing some of the structures on or in this run. Due to work I have not had time to paddle the area was wondering if anyone knows or has seen these and able to leave some input. I cant remember the little towns name but its located behind a small cemetary just off the hwybut befor winslow if i remember correctly.

[hfunkhouser]

Woolsey, perhaps? What kind of input? I know one of the worst obstacles is the old bridge about a mile below the rest stop.

[roylancaster]

This would have been upstream of the rest area and I was wanting to know if the structures made for a nice play spot or if there is a negative point to the object being there. Thank You

[hfunkhouser]

I was where the old steel bridge was today, its been removed. Looks like a concrete ledge is stll there that would pla at 5-6' on the gauge. I have access to the area so lll hand a look next time it gets up.

[Half Ton]

Hmm. Have not paddled that stretch for about two years now.

I can remember the first paddle through there when I noticed the stream channel had been altered and enhanced with play spots that were actually j hooks and rock vanes. This was all part of a natural channel stream restoration by the watershed conservation resource center. The do the best restoration work in the state for sure.

Those are the only new things that I can think of though. They don't need to be messed with either, as they have a purpose as they are.

Before the restoration the river was braided with extreme bank erosion, but now that is all mitigated and better and has play spots as a result.

All of this is right behind of a farm and cemetery at Brentwood area.

The only other structure that I can think of from recent times is the bridge that Howard mentioned and has already been moved.

With limited info as to what said structures may be it is hard to give much more info.

[roylancaster]

Yes thats it I have been working for the wcrs a little. I did not install the orginal J hooks or veins but the floods blew out some of the sections and we went in to rebuild some of it. It looked like it would be fun to paddle through.

[roylancaster]

Yes thats it I have been working for the wcrs a little. I did not install the orginal J hooks or veins but the floods blew out some of the sections and we went in to rebuild some of it. It looked like it would be fun to paddle through.

[Half Ton]

Roy, are you saying that wcrc is about to go back and rework some spots? Or are you just trying to poll the audience for feedback?

Either way, you know what's up out there since you work for them.

I posted the site incase anyone else wants to learn more.

http://www.watershedconservation.org/pr ... twood.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's a great restoration hands down. The big flood did try and blow out a structure and the large cfs brought in some unexpected hydrodynamic forces like up stream alterations from new bridges and gravel mining.

Heard the head engineer say that the rootwad j hook was not the best pick for the old channel seal. I give him all the credit in the world for trying it since it's a highly advanced technique and cutting edge. Not to mention the ideal concept of an Eco friendly approach. In being a leader in the field there are risks associated with learning or just a learning curve period.

I can hardly manage to get he 404 and staa permits filled out much less all of the engineering and bioengineering.

I was out there when Dave rosgen critiqued their work as Part of their fluvialgeomorphology short course. He said that the log should have been a little lower so that it would be under water all the time as not to rot.

Ideally that might be right but the water was running a little higher on average during construction and it was hard to place the wood as it was, not to mention not being able to see what was happening underwater where visibility is limited. Those are real time real world issues that occur sometimes and just have to be dealt with as best as possible on limited time and momma-natures terms.

Overall though, they did a great job that worked and they planned for a failure and maintenance over time in their budget. Smart thinking on their part.

I'll bet with their new improved critical structure at the old channel plug that thing will hold up for a long time.

Now if we could stop the poor gravel removal technique upstream that is probably not permitted either OR get them interested in removing in a beneficial way that would also help.

Then add on a time schedule to get things done by...

Overall though they said they didn't have to fix much else at the site after he big flood and hats pretty bad@'$$ considering what that river can tear up during flood.

[roylancaster]

mostly wanted to know how the thing paddled after that. I am under the impression there will be some rework done in the future and that Rosgen even picks on his own work. That guy is a hoot had me laughin to tears.. Ill be taken his long courses soon he said better hurry im 70 and holding on.

Im on board with the rest of your comments maybe ill see around a stream some time..