Spring River drowning

[R_Corter]

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The story I heard on the radio (Buzz) this morning was different than the news. They said the teen was drunk and the other teens admitted getting alcohol from a local liquor store. The teens said they had an unidentified man at the store purchase the alcohol.

If the unidentified man used a credit card and, or he is recognized in the surveillance video if there is one. He is in deep shat!!

Anybody else heard anything on this.

[R_Corter]

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After more searching I found the article I heard on the radio. ?Be interesting to se if they catch the unidentified man and what they will do to him. Probly be more serious than a contributing to a minor charge.

[mgood]

Hate to say it, but I doubt he'd face anything other than contributing to a minor. It would be really hard to prove that he knew what they would be doing. Even if he knew they were planning on being on a river, you can't necessarily charge someone for bad judgement.

[R_Corter]

I disagree, he could be charged with involuntary manslaughter(if the autopsy shows he was drunk when he drowned, then the alcohol John Doe provided was a direct result in the death of this minor.). It all depends on the PA. Not only from a criminal stand point but I'm sure the family will be looking for a civil lawsuit if they guy has any money at all. So ya I think the guy is in serious shat if they catch him.

[BMuu]

I hope they don't catch him.

I feel people should take responsibility for their own actions and not look to blame others or make a new law to protect the idiots.

17 is old enough to make your own decisions.

[cj5752]

If I caught someone selling my minor child alcohol they would take responsibility for their actions and I would take responsibility for mine. This
does not sound like a case of them using a fake ID. Some one bought it for them. They shouldn't prosecute him, they should let the vparents of the deceased MINOR child have him.

[Shep]

When you add up responsibility for a situation, the number is almost always greater than 100%. The guy should get his share of the blame.

Shep

[Roger]

First off, what good parent would allow their under-age child to go to the Spring River on a holiday weekend without responsible adults along?

Do a search on youtube for Many Island Fight and see what you get. Here let me save you the time.

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There's a few more out there.

Sorry that the young man drown and condolences to the family, but there is a lot more blame here than just the guy that bought the alcohol.

[Deuce]

I grew up in Jonesboro and enjoyed the Spring River more times than I can count. I went with parent(s), youth group, or adult friend(s) until I was seventeen, at which point the folks reluctantly began to let me go alone or with peers. Day trips were the most common, but when camping the great debate was Spring River Oaks or Many Islands. In retrospect things must have been beginning to go downhill then (late eighties) because I found myself pulling several drunks out of the river every weekend I was there, but I was not prepared for what I would encounter during a return visit last summer. Never again. As evidenced by my cooler and dry box I have no problem with bending an elbow, but I find it unconscionable that the management of Many Islands has allowed things to deteriorate to the extent they have. Very disheartening.

[Roger]

Not to hammer any campground or service there, the problems are all up and down the river.

Deuce, the world changed when we weren't looking as we grew older. I didn't see the Spring River until the mid-90's, and it was nothing like it is now even on the holiday weekends.

As some would say, this is why we cannot have good things.

[mgood]

Sorry to be picky again, but if someone has alcohol in their bloodsystem, and drown, then it is incorrect to say that alcohol was a direct result in their death. So many other factors could come into play here- how much alcohol, how much that person had eaten that day, if they knew how to swim properly, if they had a concussion......

As far as the manslaughter thought, it must be proven that the "(3) The person recklessly causes the death of another person," (Arkansas Code of 1987. 5-10-104. Manslaughter). It could be argued that contributing to minors could cause a death, I suppose, if that minor died of alcohol poisoning. But I would think this is a stretch. Any Arkansas lawyers have a strong opinion either way?

Just want to say that the situation is horrible, and I don't condone anything that happened, but I don't think the local authorities would be able to get a conviction with heresay evidence.

[EMTyak]

Alcohol may have been a contributing factor but it's really hard to prove that he'd still be alive had the guy not bought them alcohol. Also why should this guy be charged with manslaughter? He did not cause his death. He's not anymore guilty than someone that supplied alcohol to a minor and the minor did not die. Unless he was actually at the river with them.

[Deuce]

Not to hammer any campground or service there, the problems are all up and down the river.

Deuce, the world changed when we weren't looking as we grew older. I didn't see the Spring River until the mid-90's, and it was nothing like it is now even on the holiday weekends.

As some would say, this is why we cannot have good things.

So true Roger. However, I differ with you with respect to blaming a specific livery. The situation at Many Islands is out of hand and they could do something about it if they so chose. It's just a matter of time until one of those drunken brawls results in someone never going home again.

[cj5752]

There have been manslaughter convictions from people supplying alcohol to minors, when the minors die in a car crash. When the gentlemen bought the alcohol for minors he committed a crime. Store video and the other minors testemony would prove this. If someone dies resulting from his crime he can be convicted of manslaughter.

[robkanraft]

Wow, that video pretty much cured me from ever wanting to go back there. That's just ugly.