One Type IV (throwable) USCG-approved PFD

[ieatcrayons]

really!??? i have a 17ft. canoe and i need a 'throwable'? i'm on game & fish web site trying to make sure i'm leagle an not get into trouble on the rivers.. i thought i needed some kind of bag for trash.. but i'm not seeing that listed.. am i looking in the wrong place..? someone help out the newbe here.. thanks!

[Clif]

http://www.agfc.com/boating/canoes-kayaks.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Roger]

I think this fits the bill for the throwable.

[Regud]

He makes a good point. On the boat equipment page http://www.agfc.com/boating/boating-reg ... pment.aspx, it references any vessel 16' or longer is required to have the type IV throwable PFD.

Can anyone confirm if this applies to canoes & kayaks?

[Cowper]

Can anyone if confirm this applies to canoes & kayaks?

I was wondering too, since sometimes website provide only abbreviated versions of the laws.

A search found this:
http://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/bureau/Pu ... e%2027.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On page 981, vessel is defined:
"“Vessel” means every description of watercraft, other than a seaplane on the
water, used or capable of being used as a means of transportation;"

On page 989, it says:
"In addition, every vessel sixteen feet (16′) and longer shall have
aboard one (1) type IV throwable personal flotation device."

There's over a thousand pages in that one document alone. Quick, somebody go read it and see if I missed the place where canoes were given special exemptions (because I couldn't find it).

FYI, last time I bought one of those seat cushions at WalMart, it was a little over $5.00. And they make pretty good sitting around lunch, instead of using your high-dollar PFD for that purpose.

[ieatcrayons]

perfect Clif! thanks for the info. i had no clue about the floating holder for beverages or the cooler lids....... and i'm sure i would have gotten ticketed...

[LOREN]

I know the fine is somewhere around $212 dollars for not having 2 lifejackets in a canoe.....

[Regud]

I know the fine is somewhere around $212 dollars for not having 2 lifejackets in a canoe.....

sounds like this is from experience

[Randy Dodson]

we're taking our 4-H group to the Buffalo next week so my wife got on the AGFC website and noticed that law. We've been paddling a 17 ft. Wenonah for years without any problems.
I doubt if you'd get a ticket if you had your regular PFD on or with you.

then again, if they're trying to increase revenue, you just might.

[Roger]

Just noticed in our preps for the GC that the Type IV Throwable is required on boats "16' or longer."

[painterbob]

i think you are mixing up motor boat rules with canoe and kayaks? ..as a outfitter on the buffalo national river that isn't the rule.. or we would have to provide them to our renters?

[Cowper]

i think you are mixing up motor boat rules with canoe and kayaks? ..as a outfitter on the buffalo national river that isn't the rule.. or we would have to provide them to our renters?

I don't think so. Page 980: “Motorboat” means any vessel operated upon water and which is propelled by sail or machinery, whether or not the machinery is the principal source of propulsion but shall not include a vessel that has a valid marine document issued by the United States Customs Service or any federal agency successor thereto...

Both Motorboat and vessel are defined, and the rule on cushions clearly says "vessel", not "motorboat".

I think what all this tells us is that this is just one of those laws that is not being enforced, at least not for canoes and kayaks.

[painterbob]

talked to game and fish on sat. he said, it's is true the law said you DO NEED TO HAVE ONE IN ANYTHING 16FOOT OR LONGER. BUT IN THE CASE OF A CANOE, AND KAYAK ,IT'S OVER LOOKED .and acts as a gray area. and it's up to the officer to make the call at that time ,and place.......i was told on the buffalo, if you had all other requirements, a PFD for each person, a mesh trash bag(attached), and a lockable cooler. you would be OK. he also said ,yes ALL CANOE AND KAYAKS NEED TO HAVE THE TRASH BAG "ATTACHED" ,WHITE WATER OR RECERATION . and didn't matter if you had a cooler or not!

[Roger]

The USCG rules are any boat longer than 16' EXCEPT canoe or kayak. Or at least that is what the label on the type IV cushion I bought yesterday says.

Wonder if the AG&FC pulled theirs from the CG?

Oh, the clarity of government rules!

[Cowper]

From http://www.agfc.com/boating/canoes-kayaks.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Attach and use a mesh litter bag.
LAW: Carry and affix to the vessel, a container or bag suitable for containing refuse, waste and trash materials and capable of being securely closed. The container or bag shall be of mesh construction. Transport all refuse, waste and trash to a place where the materials may be safely and lawfully disposed of. A container shall not be required for those persons traveling without foodstuffs or beverages.

Roger, interesting point. How much would you like to bet that Arkansas mostly copied the USGS rules, but just left off the exclusion for canoes and kayaks?