Firearms in national parks

[Drifter]

Park rangers shouldn't have to guess who's packing. If they know who, what, & where up front, they can focus on dealing with the idiots who really are a threat.

Hey, I think that concept would work well down at Organ Pipe NM! Yessiree buddy it would clean that place right up. Just require everyone coming in to Organ Pipe to check in with the Rangers and declare their guns. The outlaws would definitely have to start using the main roads in to the park, and stop cutting all those pigtrails in there through the barbwire fences from Mexico because they would have to check in first!!!

[okieboater]

My guess is that most concealed carry folks have a fire arm in the semi automatic 9mm or 40 caliber range.

I would bet money if you ran up againest most any of those bad guys in
Organ Pipe Park, you could pull out your CC weapon and get laughed out of the area. The bad guy would see your 9mm Glock and raise you a short barreled heavy caliber German built assualt auto pistol or rifle.

Some serious bad guys down there and the Rangers need Delta Force type weapons, gear and training to handle the situation.

[Drifter]

Yep, definitely a war zone down there. Never been to Organ Pipe, the Most Dangerous National Park in America. However, I have spent my share of time on the Texas-Mexico border, and plenty of the same is going on there.

Camping in the desert in a remote spot along the Rio Grande is one of the most exciting things I've done to date. Haven't seen an over-abundance heavily armed of Law Enforcement officials patrolling around my wilderness camping spots watching over me and looking out for my well being yet.

Not gonna say if I've had a gun with me while camping there or not. It's anybody's guess. Sometimes just that element of uncertainty is enough to keep some folks honest. I might not have a gun at all, I might have a little Nine, or I might just have something more. Who knows. Feelin Lucky? :twisted:

Personally, I'm glad to see some of these laws turning around in favor of the average citizen. Texas has recently relaxed it's self defense with firearms law (the Castle Law); giving citizens more rights and choices when defending their homes and vehicles against dangerous intruders.

I think the law discussed in the link Butch posted is a good law. Glad to see some of these lawmakers coming around to some good old common sense thinking (not to mention upholding the intent of our second amendment rights.)

My two cents.

[Trismegistus]

This is Humor...at least for a few folks...just some spam that happened to be sent to me today -- Mike Calliote takes full responsibility --

Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Southerner?

The answer can be found by posing the following question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly a crazed Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes on you, screams obscenities, praises Allah, and starts pulling at a cord from under his bulky vest and he raises the knife the charges at you. You are carrying a Kimber 911 45 caliber pistol and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds to react. What do you do?

Democrat’s Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? Should I call 9-1-1? Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have paint and weed day and make this happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior. This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus.

Republican's Answer:

BANG!

Southerner's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click..... (Sounds of reloading)BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! Click
Daughter: "Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips or Hollow Points?"
Son: "Can I shoot the next one!"
Wife: "You ain't taking that to the Taxidermist!

[Clif]

Wife: "You ain't taking that to the Taxidermist!

I think I know her!!

[Matt'yak]

Sweet! :twisted:

[Cowper]

Well, now that's just silly!

There's no such thing as a Kimber Model 911 (it's Model 1911), he wouldn't be worrying about the type of safety on his Glock, first because he's carrying the Kimber which is a completely different animal, and secondly, because if he is an expert shot and carrying a Kimber he already knows the answer to that question. After the reload, he would only get 8 BANG's because he wouldn't have the extra round already in the chamber to give him the 9th BANG. Besides, the Southern man's daughter would know that the words Winchester + silvertip + hollowpoint do not combine to make an "OR" question.

And that first guy might have been a Democrat, but he wasn't a Southern Democrat.

Everybody knows these things, right?

[Arthur Bowie]

Well, now that's just silly!

After the reload, he would only get 8 BANG's because he wouldn't have the extra round already in the chamber to give him the 9th BANG. ...

Everybody knows these things, right?

Even more - most of Kimber's 1911 families have seven shot magazine, and I believe that the Ten II family has thirteen round magazine.

Also pretty sure that all 1911 lock the side open after last round, so there isn't a click......

Are we seeing the rise of another attack dentist???

[RIORESIDENT]

I have my grandfathers' service piece from ww2, its a 1911 A, and a Colt. any idea where i could find some info about it?

Rio~

[okieboater]

That weapon is a classic fire arm.

I saw a deal on cable where the current Delta Force guys and several of the elite forces gave up on other hand guns and went back to the M1911 pistols.

They, of course, strip them down, fine tune the fit and slip in some more modern parts of the weapon, like springs etc.

I saw a demo and the 9 mm pistolas were hi velocity and going completely through the blocks of material they were using to simulate flesh. Making a hole but not really doing as much damage as you would expect.

then the old army (upgraded) 45 traveling about half the speed with a big ole slug of a bullet would make a nice sized entry hole but inside would blow up a cavity the size of a canaloup melon and get almost to the back but not come out.

Bottom line when a Army 45 M1911 hits a person, that person is gonna stop pretty much in the next step where the 9 mm load would stay together and go on thru the body but the person would still be shooting at you for some time.

Some years back, a friend of mine picked up a Mdl 1911 and gave it to a local gunsmith to be accuritized to gold cup match grade specs. This was early 80's and the bill was somewhere thousand or so bucks. But, man alive that was one sweet shooting pistol.

That particular side arm was developed for the Army when they were fighting the Moro's (spelling is off, but sounds right) over in the Phillipene Island areas. These guys would get doped up and charge into the Army's emplacements with machete's in hand. Soldiers would empty their weapons into these warrior types and hit the target, but were still being sliced up as these warriors would not give up the fight.

Mdl 1911's with big ole blunt lead bullets were developed and according to what I read the warriors would come charging up, take a round or two from the Mdl 1911's and literally be knocked backwards sometimes in mid air.

If a person can handle the recoil, these are real stopper pistols.

Plus being your Grand Pa's side arm, man, I would keep it maintained, put it in a place of honor and once a year take it out a cap a few rounds and talk to Grand Pa about the good times you had with him.

[Roger]

I have my grandfathers' service piece from ww2, its a 1911 A, and a Colt. any idea where i could find some info about it?

Rio~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_Colt_pistol

[RIORESIDENT]

good idea Okie, and thanks roger for the link......

and i think crane mentioned the last round
running thru, and the slide locking. Humm, it has been a while......

Will report back........

Rio~

[Cowper]

Even more - most of Kimber's 1911 families have seven shot magazine, and I believe that the Ten II family has thirteen round magazine.

Also pretty sure that all 1911 lock the side open after last round, so there isn't a click......

Well, on point #1, I had to make an assumption about which Kimber he would most likely be carrying, but since it said he was an expert shot I was guessing he might favor one these:
http://www.kimberamerica.com/pistols/go ... dmatch.php
"The Gold Match II .45 ACP is Kimber's finest production
pistol - extremely accurate and tuned for absolute dependability...
An 8-round magazine is standard with all Gold Match, Team Match and Target Match pistols."

Since the Gold Matches use 8 round magazines, I gave them that one.
But on point #2, you're absolutely right - I let that one slip past me!

[Bob Stout]

Many years ago (mid to late 50s) the NRA, Civilian Marksmanship Program was selling the Springfield 03-A3 for $10 and change - also the 1911-A for $17.50 - I purchased one of each. Both weapons had a parkerized finish. The 1911-A was manufactured by Remington Rand - it wouldn't type worth a darn, but shot very well.

[Bob Stout]

Camping in the desert in a remote spot along the Rio Grande is one of the most exciting things I've done to date. Haven't seen an over-abundance heavily armed of Law Enforcement officials patrolling around my wilderness camping spots watching over me and looking out for my well being yet.
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I agree with Drifter 100% I've canoed the Upper Canyons of the Rio Grande (Colorado Canyon on down into Big Bend NP) and rafted the 84 mi Wild and Scenic Rio below Big Bend (La Linda to Dryden Crossing --considered to be the most remote river trip in the Continental U.S.) with friends. Camped every night but one on the Lower Canyons, and two on the Upper Canyons in Mexico. They have to be two of my favorite river trips. Never saw Bad-Guys or the Law on either trip.