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Couldn't agree more with PaddleGal -- the chemical milieu in which we live is responsible for far more chronic, wasting. insideous health problems than we'll probably ever know -- from mutagens to carcinogens to immunodepressants to pure toxins...we douse ourselves and ingest the stuff without even reading the labels.

And the best quote so far: "until a person has put their money where their mouth is (i.e. walk the talk), trying to shift blame and environmental consequence to someone else, somewhere else is beyond disingenous."

BP

Some may have forgotten:

"Chesapeake Energy entered into a joint venture with BP Inc. (BP) in Sept 2008 in its acreage in the Fayetteville Shale. BP acquired a 25% interest in the acreage for $1.9 billion with many Chesapeake stockholders hoping that BP would purchase all leases and acerage held by Chesapeake within the Fayetteville shale field."

Hard to stop a company that is sending out checks to every Tom, d*ck and Mary living in the woods of Arkansas. Moreover, if all the miners, timbermen and chemical manufacturers pulled out of the state, we'd be in a real big hurt -- it's companies like these that have helped Arkansas stave off the worse of the recession.

Sadly the icing doesn't taste so good when the cake is spoiling.

Guess I'm glad my name isn't "d*ck".

Reminds me -- there was an electrician in Damascus -- I kid you not -- whose parents named him Richard Head.

Yep, and his son lives across the road from me. He was a a cop in Clinton until a few months ago.

Industry was quick to hire a PR firm to debunk GasLand. Now Josh Fox is debunking the debunkers. It is an interesting debate and one that will continue as long as the documentary is being seen.

For those who are interested this is a fascinating read.

http://www.damascuscitizens.org/Affirming-GASLAND.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks, DeBo, for the link. I think the debate will continue for decades. I'm sickened by the changes in Van Buren County. If I didn't have so many family ties to this piece of dirt, I'd move away from all the drilling mess. I try to do my part, by not being wasteful of our resources. I don't use natural gas for heating, I use wood from my farm. I don't use city water, I have springs with great water - so far. But when I go to the creek & see an oily sheen on the water, I know my water source is in jeopardy. (Cadron Creek, way upstream, is my "home creek".)

Thanks again.
Jan

A quote from our intrepid "journalist", page 6 of the link from Deb -

"We don't know why fracking chemicals and fugitive natural gas are getting into water supplies, we just know that they are"

There are numerous examples of many of the chemicals mentioned occuring naturally in the water table and places where natural gas practically bubbles from the ground without being drilled or fraced.

Again, let's do the research for these issues and let the findings stand. Let's punish those obviously in violation of existing laws. Develop new laws to better protect the environment.

Just don't pretend to be unblemished and aghast at the greed and wastefulness of others. We're all in the same (plastic) boat.

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2010 ... -20100826/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yeah, Dartswinger, they have "done a lot of good" if you measure "good" in dollars. If you measure it in trees, roads, water, wildlife, pollution, noise . . . it's very hard to see the "good" they are doing.
Jan

"Truth: The natural gas production is subject to federal, state and local regulations that cover everything from initial permits to well construction to water disposal. The natural gas community is committed to being good neighbors and responsible stewards of the land, and we are committed to answering the public’s questions and concerns in a factual and science-based way." dartswinger71

Good neighbors? They don't tear up the roads. They don't run large rig convoys to rigs in excess of the speed limits. They don't make noise that can be heard miles away. They don't license the majority of their trucks in other states to avoid paying their share. They don't park on private property belonging to someone else.

As for the regulations, I believe Cheney's task force gave exemptions to the gas industry from the federal clean water laws. Having worked in the drilling business, I know many times the operators would knowingly violate environmental laws since it was cheaper to pay the fines than handle the waste in a proper manner. Yeah, good neighbors are like that.

"We are committed" sounds like you are employed by one of the "good neighbors." Which one?

Have a nice day.

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Gink wrote:Guess I'm glad my name isn't "d*ck".

Reminds me -- there was an electrician in Damascus -- I kid you not -- whose parents named him Richard Head.

When I lived in Conway (attending UCA and working at liquor store during the mid-90's), I heard of a constable in that area by that name!

If you know my last name, then you know why they call me d*ck Cabeza!

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Meant to say: Thread Hijack!

a quote from Martha Locey, 78, one of Josh Fox's fellow Pennsylvanians:

“My father dug our well in 1945, and we knew it had lots of iron in it, and we thought it had something else, but we weren’t sure, because it had lots of bubbles in it,” Ms. Locey said. “So my nephew took it to school in the ’60s, and the science teacher lit it, and it burned, so he said, ‘It’s methane.’ ”

“The truth is, our well has been that way since 1945,” added Ms. Locey, who has signed an affidavit in support of the gas company’s legal case. “I don’t think Cabot was here back then.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/busin ... k.html?hpw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; -

"Some environmentalists support fracking and other means of extracting natural gas because gas emits a fraction of the carbon of either oil or coal. They also prefer it because it could replace coal as the nation’s principal source of electricity and provide a lower-carbon bridge before renewable energy sources can be developed on a larger scale."