farpastgone, well chosen screen name, you wear it well.
Who care about real relevent issues - real feeling people. Of course, remaining ignorant and apathetic is your god given right.
Illogical concepts? I simply brought up the police issue - you somehow the leap to the "dark worldwide conspiracy"?
P.Tater brought up the Federal Reserve...again your synapses misfired or something and you chastised him for believing that there is really a NWO? wtf?
As far as the last link goes, I was hoping it gave more info on the cronism pulled by Rummie to get his artificial sweeetner approved, FDA rejected it 4 prior years (knowing about the cancer link). So, yes if the world were as black and white as you see it though you rose collered glasses, perhaps going to the FDA w/ fact might actually work.
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He also tried to correlate it to a global government, maybe you didn’t really read what he posted. “They are the ones pulling the strings. And in case you didn't know, their ultimate goal is a global government which they will also control.” Yes, I thought a synopsis on why I think that theory is bunk would be appropriate whether he meant the NWO field of thought or not.v rainwater wrote:P.Tater brought up the Federal Reserve...again your synapses misfired or something and you chastised him for believing that there is really a NWO? wtf?
Is that really what you intended? Why couldn’t you just say that? Instead you post a link to some kitschy video supported by you only saying “equally disturbing is our food situation. See codex alamentarius & these.” Yes, I guess my rose colored glasses have blinded me. Forgive me for suggesting you do something about it legally through proper mechanisms if you really think there is some real concern. I guess talking about it and sharing resources with no substantiated credentials created by whoever is just as good.v rainwater wrote:As far as the last link goes, I was hoping it gave more info on the cronism pulled by Rummie to get his artificial sweeetner approved, FDA rejected it 4 prior years (knowing about the cancer link). So, yes if the world were as black and white as you see it though you rose collered glasses, perhaps going to the FDA w/ fact might actually work.
This you are probably right about, there was probably no need for me to try and discredit those that use YouTube videos or conspiracy theories to expand their knowledge. No that was more directed toward the general place the thread has diverged to, and the YouTube video you posted up with no reasoning behind besides “equally disturbing is our food situation.” I don’t really know why you would think my statement had anything to do with police issues, or why it could not relate to the “dark worldwide conspiracy”. Look at the “more info” tab for the video it just lists these phrases, “New World Order, Police State, One World Order Government” and even says “The Nazis WON!” in relation to something to do with the EU being formed on the basis of Nazi ideals.v rainwater wrote:Illogical concepts? I simply brought up the police issue - you somehow the leap to the "dark worldwide conspiracy"?
We clearly are not going to agree on much which is completely fine because this is America (when reading please say “this is America” in a Ricky Bobby voice).
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There was no resoning behind my last links because they were only thrown out there get the unaware curious enough to look for more info.
Pehaps it should have been a PM to P.Tater. Knowing how personal you
tend to take any info presented here which doesn't fit into your little reality. It seems at least we can agree that youtube videos can't be substituted for true research. Once curiousity has piqued, youtube isn't a substitute for the library.
So, for those of you curious enough to look into this food situation further...the documentary "Food Incorporated" is excellent. It' the logic behind the grassrooted organic 100 mile radius movement which Martha Stewart endorses. I personnally feel obligated to speak out about the food issue, having just watched my brother's beautiful sweet mother in law lose her fight with stomach cancer, her's was an inhumane premature death, just this weekend.
Also, since this somehow diverged to the Nazi influence. Again if you're comfortable and satisfied with your particular view of humankind, history and the world and believe that the corporate owned mass media is keeping you well enough informed, read no further (especially if you are easily offeded by out the box thinking). I don't know about the Nazi influence of the EU. I'd just like to recommend Jim Marrs book, "Rise of the Forth Riech" documenting the widespread Nazi influences and money trails. I found the NASA section especially interesting. If your still here, Matt (sure you are-looking for something else to take issue with) thank you for your suggestion of the book "Being Arab" I've wanted something along those lines. Also thanks for your lively debate.
Love peace and liberty. SYOTR
Pehaps it should have been a PM to P.Tater. Knowing how personal you
tend to take any info presented here which doesn't fit into your little reality. It seems at least we can agree that youtube videos can't be substituted for true research. Once curiousity has piqued, youtube isn't a substitute for the library.
So, for those of you curious enough to look into this food situation further...the documentary "Food Incorporated" is excellent. It' the logic behind the grassrooted organic 100 mile radius movement which Martha Stewart endorses. I personnally feel obligated to speak out about the food issue, having just watched my brother's beautiful sweet mother in law lose her fight with stomach cancer, her's was an inhumane premature death, just this weekend.
Also, since this somehow diverged to the Nazi influence. Again if you're comfortable and satisfied with your particular view of humankind, history and the world and believe that the corporate owned mass media is keeping you well enough informed, read no further (especially if you are easily offeded by out the box thinking). I don't know about the Nazi influence of the EU. I'd just like to recommend Jim Marrs book, "Rise of the Forth Riech" documenting the widespread Nazi influences and money trails. I found the NASA section especially interesting. If your still here, Matt (sure you are-looking for something else to take issue with) thank you for your suggestion of the book "Being Arab" I've wanted something along those lines. Also thanks for your lively debate.
Love peace and liberty. SYOTR
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Am I lost???
I thought this is the Arkansas Canoe Club Message board.
Indeed, the club is made up of persons with diverse opinions, ages, backgrounds, and genders.
What we have in common is water and transport on it with kayaks and canoes.
Somehow I think this discussion/debate would have been better held elsewhere.
I thought this is the Arkansas Canoe Club Message board.
Indeed, the club is made up of persons with diverse opinions, ages, backgrounds, and genders.
What we have in common is water and transport on it with kayaks and canoes.
Somehow I think this discussion/debate would have been better held elsewhere.
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such as grows nowhere else on the face of the universal earth"
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the men are of the real half-horse, half alligator breed
such as grows nowhere else on the face of the universal earth"
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This happens every time the rivers drop.
Also, Food Inc. is a very good documentary that everyone who cares about what they put in their bodies should watch. As far as the USDA goes, they pretty much screw up the food systems at every turn.
Buy local whether it's organic or not, and it will be way better for you. If you have to buy from afar, then read the ingredients.
Long live the new world order that will exist when I'm king.
Also, Food Inc. is a very good documentary that everyone who cares about what they put in their bodies should watch. As far as the USDA goes, they pretty much screw up the food systems at every turn.
Buy local whether it's organic or not, and it will be way better for you. If you have to buy from afar, then read the ingredients.
Long live the new world order that will exist when I'm king.
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while we are in this cold weather cycle, I enjoy all this OT stuff, hopefully everyone can say their thoughts and not get into a S+++ electronic fight.
Something I find very curious about our food inspection program. And, the trust we put in food we buy here in the states.
over the years I have made many kayaking trips down south to Mexico, Central America and a bunch down in South America.
Down there we would do our best to eat at places where they use some sort of standard germ killing solution to wash all green stuff for us USA types. Usually this is proudly posted on the menu. Otherwise, the guides always say if it is not well cooked do not eat it. Do not eat raw salads for sure. Peel all the fruit. Do not drink the water except for Agua Pura and the list goes on.
Back home in the USA, we enjoy green veggies year around. Most of these countries especially Costa Rica, Chile, Honduras send a lot of their locally grown veggies north to USA. Where we cheerfully eat away thinking these veggies are grown under the (what we are told by the media as clean germ free) conditions. While in reality they come from places where human excrement is just another fertilizer. I bet if all these winter (for us) imported veggies were well advertised as being from these countries with out much inspection - more people would be rinsing veggies in some sort of bleach solution.
and then there is the bag salad or whatever from here in the States that has e coli or what ever bug that makes us deathly sick. So much for the federal food inspection.
One of my favorite boating areas is Costa Rica, Turrialba is the place to be. I know we were staying at a beautiful spot up a mile or so from the city. there was a two story open to the sides structure a great place to eat and drink. Very scenic view of a banana farm. I noticed at times one area of the "porch" had a smell. Sure enough, the plastic pipe from the toilets just went out into the field to dump effluent. Also there is a beautiful stream going thru part of Turrialba. Most of the banks have been covered with stone work maybe as hi as 20 feet up to take care of rains. Sure enough, you can see the toilet pipes going direct to the stream. I asked several outfitters about this. The general response is something like well the locals have put in a lot of indoor toilets, but they just have not got around to treatment of waste like the USA does. Probably not enough money to finish the job. Kinda sounds like what I hear now from our area. IE bridges are falling down, but we do not have the Tax money to pay for them.
Something I find very curious about our food inspection program. And, the trust we put in food we buy here in the states.
over the years I have made many kayaking trips down south to Mexico, Central America and a bunch down in South America.
Down there we would do our best to eat at places where they use some sort of standard germ killing solution to wash all green stuff for us USA types. Usually this is proudly posted on the menu. Otherwise, the guides always say if it is not well cooked do not eat it. Do not eat raw salads for sure. Peel all the fruit. Do not drink the water except for Agua Pura and the list goes on.
Back home in the USA, we enjoy green veggies year around. Most of these countries especially Costa Rica, Chile, Honduras send a lot of their locally grown veggies north to USA. Where we cheerfully eat away thinking these veggies are grown under the (what we are told by the media as clean germ free) conditions. While in reality they come from places where human excrement is just another fertilizer. I bet if all these winter (for us) imported veggies were well advertised as being from these countries with out much inspection - more people would be rinsing veggies in some sort of bleach solution.
and then there is the bag salad or whatever from here in the States that has e coli or what ever bug that makes us deathly sick. So much for the federal food inspection.
One of my favorite boating areas is Costa Rica, Turrialba is the place to be. I know we were staying at a beautiful spot up a mile or so from the city. there was a two story open to the sides structure a great place to eat and drink. Very scenic view of a banana farm. I noticed at times one area of the "porch" had a smell. Sure enough, the plastic pipe from the toilets just went out into the field to dump effluent. Also there is a beautiful stream going thru part of Turrialba. Most of the banks have been covered with stone work maybe as hi as 20 feet up to take care of rains. Sure enough, you can see the toilet pipes going direct to the stream. I asked several outfitters about this. The general response is something like well the locals have put in a lot of indoor toilets, but they just have not got around to treatment of waste like the USA does. Probably not enough money to finish the job. Kinda sounds like what I hear now from our area. IE bridges are falling down, but we do not have the Tax money to pay for them.
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Ah he posted what he thought so I posted what I thought. Didn't really mean to get too personal, if I did then I apologize.v rainwater wrote:Pehaps it should have been a PM to P.Tater. Knowing how personal you tend to take any info presented here which doesn't fit into your little reality. It seems at least we can agree that youtube videos can't be substituted for true research.
I agree Food Inc. is a great movie. The 100 mile radius movement is a nice idea, unfortunately we like to develop cities in places humans really shouldn't probably be living and there are major issues with larger cities overlapping the 100 mile boundary of other cities. Either way one of the luxuries of living in a First World country is the ability, if you can afford it (yes, some people have been put in a position where they don't have a choice), to choose to not to eat meat, go vegan, buy local or go too the Farmer's Markets. Like we all know the mighty dollar drives these corporations, so maybe enough people making their choices of local or not will change something.v rainwater wrote:So, for those of you curious enough to look into this food situation further...the documentary "Food Incorporated" is excellent. It' the logic behind the grassrooted organic 100 mile radius movement which Martha Stewart endorses. I personnally feel obligated to speak out about the food issue, having just watched my brother's beautiful sweet mother in law lose her fight with stomach cancer, her's was an inhumane premature death, just this weekend.
The whole Montasano seed patent and going after people because they live next to people that planted GMOs is crazy.
I am not completely subservient to the government with no regard, I do think you have to go about everything rationally. Really I have been around the computer writing a paper and studying the last three days so this has been where I am taking my breaks at. Like I said, if I got too personal then I apologize, but sometimes it is fun to just argue for the sake of arguing. "Being Arab" is a good book but is probably some of the most dense reading I have ever done, it is laden with Arab history, culture, and theories that someone without a lot of regional knowledge has a hard time getting through (I know I did), but there are still some great messages in it.
Maybe if I run into you on a river we can share some beers and trade some talk.
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"Well, maybe we're all just a bunch of fools and nothin matters." -- Little Big Man
Ah, 'tis the wintertime when men's thoughts turn to strutting and preening on the message board in off-topic posts!
Just pour yourself a warm one and don't take yourself too serious!
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Ah, 'tis the wintertime when men's thoughts turn to strutting and preening on the message board in off-topic posts!
Just pour yourself a warm one and don't take yourself too serious!
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No doubt, Fish. Here's to you, man 
And you right EZtouch, there were more appropriate message boards for these issues. It's just that circle of influence & common interests thing. Knowing all you Ouachita paddlers, I felt comfortable ranting here.
Matt, I sincerely look forward to that day(cyber hug). I gained much from our exchange, by sharing your perspectives you helped me put a few things in perspective. Another good food issue (GMO,Giaint Agri. bus.) documentary is "The Future of Food". I love the activist it features, Dr. Vandana Shiva. Some have referred to her as this generations Ghandi.
Adam, if you go any of those Mardi Gras Parades, be careful. Did you see the recent cover of that wonderful publication, "The Inquisitor" which speciality is public humiliation for mostly petty victimless crimes? I recently had a fantastical idea for a parade float. Unfortunately, it require some deception & a risk of possible arrrest. It's in response to all the "war is peace" twisted logic Orwellian window stickers you see around here (USAF Global Strike is here). It have some sort of quickly removable false facade. With an anti war message beneath, showing some of wars realities, complete w/ depleted uranium, kids w/ birth defects, broken people and the grim reaper.
I love ya'll, man!
And you right EZtouch, there were more appropriate message boards for these issues. It's just that circle of influence & common interests thing. Knowing all you Ouachita paddlers, I felt comfortable ranting here.
Matt, I sincerely look forward to that day(cyber hug). I gained much from our exchange, by sharing your perspectives you helped me put a few things in perspective. Another good food issue (GMO,Giaint Agri. bus.) documentary is "The Future of Food". I love the activist it features, Dr. Vandana Shiva. Some have referred to her as this generations Ghandi.
Adam, if you go any of those Mardi Gras Parades, be careful. Did you see the recent cover of that wonderful publication, "The Inquisitor" which speciality is public humiliation for mostly petty victimless crimes? I recently had a fantastical idea for a parade float. Unfortunately, it require some deception & a risk of possible arrrest. It's in response to all the "war is peace" twisted logic Orwellian window stickers you see around here (USAF Global Strike is here). It have some sort of quickly removable false facade. With an anti war message beneath, showing some of wars realities, complete w/ depleted uranium, kids w/ birth defects, broken people and the grim reaper.
I love ya'll, man!
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I actually got to hear Vandana Shiva speak on a panel with Van Jones, Wendell Berry, Michael Pollan, and a few others at slow food nation in San Fran a few years ago. Amazing. Her stories of seed saving in India and the battles with Monsanto will bring you to tears.
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I'll bet that was moving, we desperately need world leaders like her.
Since this thread has diverged so thus far, please humor me for one last diversion.
Tell me what you think of the following link, especially I you saw this event. I know it's easy to find apparent occult symbolism throughout rock and rolls history. (Mr. Crowly's satanic crap, pentagrams, Baphomet...). I admit compete ignorance about mainstream artists and I did not see the televised event referenced in the link. Just seems a little over the top or just coincidence?
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2191" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Who's up for a Tot tuesday?
Since this thread has diverged so thus far, please humor me for one last diversion.
Tell me what you think of the following link, especially I you saw this event. I know it's easy to find apparent occult symbolism throughout rock and rolls history. (Mr. Crowly's satanic crap, pentagrams, Baphomet...). I admit compete ignorance about mainstream artists and I did not see the televised event referenced in the link. Just seems a little over the top or just coincidence?
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2191" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Who's up for a Tot tuesday?
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Nope v-man, should have stopped while you were ahead. Went over your link quota with that last one. Your link to content ratio is just too high, you're goin' down in flames.
You've been voted off the island. We drink your milkshake.
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You've been voted off the island. We drink your milkshake.
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Me doth think the Fish protest too much, must be his blood oath of secrecy to the Illuminati :twisted: 
Really hoping for someones impression that saw it.
Really hoping for someones impression that saw it.
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I gave up watching the VMA's after one try. It's just so silly and obviously staged that I can't hang. Sorry. As for the satanic imagery, that seems like a stretch from the vigilant citizen site. They take things the the extreme that farpastgone was talking about.
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