Intervention

[michelle Ashford]

I totally agree with you TomCat...

[Prairie Tater]

I've always considered myself to be an Arkie at heart. Great-great-grandfather Prater, along with some more of my ancestors, moved from Kentucky and settled near Patrick, AR.(just north of the Mulberry) in the early 1800's. His first wife, Sarah Patrick, died in childbirth in 1858. When the Civil War broke out, he came to Missouri and joined the Union Army. So if it hadn't been for the war, I would be living in the Natural State with the Mulberry in my backyard. Whenever I paddle there, I sometimes like to go over to Patrick Cemetery and visit my ancestors.

As far as the ACC goes: I believe it is an important organization which has done some fantastic things for the paddling community. I'd hate to think where we would be as paddlers without them. I was a dues-paying member for a couple of years, however I was just too far away to take part in most of the activities & meetings. Guess I'm more of the loner-type anyway. Most of my paddling buddies are ACC members, however, and I consider the many streams in the Boston Mountains to be my home.

I just want to add that I'm very appreciative to the powers that be for letting me and other non-members post on this informative and entertaining board.

Terry Prater

[A Savage spanke]

Do you get discounts anywhere if you're in the ACC? Surely with all the members there are some business owners.

When I was younger, I use to put ACC stickers on my buddies rigs to piss them off.

Ricky, Fish is right, Arkansas is the butt of a lot of jokes (but at least we arn't Oklahoma). I bust on Texas all the time (in the first slide of the Horsehead Spillway video), but Matts from there, and he's a realllly good boater. He's way better than me, and I've grown up with water and gradiant.

Half Ton is John Pennington?!?! Who was Plankton, and Black Helicopter, and (other names?)

[Eric Esche]

I think this series of posts has degenerated and wandered a bit.

Let's end it and focus on finding the stolen kayak and stolen Buffalo canoe now, and spread the word in an ALL POINTS BULLITEN to all states and groups for the missing boats and get them returned to their owners.

Just remember - NO lynching parties with throw ropes, NO drawing and quartering or dismemberment of any body parts with river knives, and to maintain a chain of evidence and photographic record when any suspected culprits are apprehended, and work with all law enforcement agencies. And make sure there is no body watching or DO NOT leave any DNA if they somehow come into contact with your paddles.

And while we are at it:

Lets have everybody who hasn't already done it, go out TODAY or tonight and mark their names and contact numbers on all of their paddles and boats and any other gear you would like returned with permanent markers just in case you ever lose it AND then copy down your serial numbers for said gear and put it in multiple safe places along with digital pictures of same gear. I have even gone so far as to melt in my name in a non obvious place with a steel stamp impression set by heating the ends of the letter up with a blow torch in the past. Don't have that set anymore or I would offer it to other paddlers, club members or not.

Some chapters might think about purchasing a set of those steel stamping markers to allow their chapter members to do the same on a "marking day". I even stamped my name into a few aluminum canoes by having someone use a rawwhide or rubber hammer mallet as a bucking bar, back before we had Royalex and plastic kayaks.

Eric Esche

[rickyrod]

sorry I got some oklahoma river water on my keyboard; What?It's all about paddleing and looking out for our freinds and in this case turning the attention on to another subject and to keep two two paddlers from leaving on bad terms . thats all it was.Yall, and about okies being made fun of . call me what you want but don't say we're not good boaters. you know who I'm talken bout. all in good fun . Let's paddle!!!!

[jermdog]

Thank you Eric.
Ricky you may want to wash the poop off your keyboard.
Go Arkansas.
And what the hell people. There's water out there. Shouldn't we save this crap for the dog days of summer? Or maybe you're just too busy being anti-club/pro-club to actually do some boating.

[Ryan Center]

Aman Brother Jermdog!

[hellbender]

Do y'all really know what Tomcat is sayin here? And I'm with him on this one. It's like that bad taste I get when I hear about Jackson Kayaks.After Poodro dropped that waterfall it was all about"Jackson boater"or"Jackson Kayaks makes WR waterfall"it was never about Poodro,just Eric pushin his turd boats. And its about the same thing the ACC/and or ACC boaters have done about this raft recovery.And I could be mistakin but two non clubbers and one acc were the first to spot and throw up the red flags. So the way it is,ACC found the raft.All of us other boaters just sat around and watched with our thumbs up our askes.I'm getting mad now over jk/acc bs,I'm takin a nap... :twisted:

[Cowper]

When some of the ACC folks tell the story, the ACC will be highlighted.

When some of the non-ACC folks tell the story, the non-members will be highlighted.

When the law-enforcement folks tell the story, guess what? The story will note who called for reinforcements on the radio, who asked the questions, who slapped the cuffs on, who really brought the down at the end of the day.

To some degree, that is life; get over it!

For my own part, I said it before back on about page 2 of this thread:

ACC:
Non-club member “we’re all friends on the river” boaters:


That's equal parts clapping for both members and non-members. No sarcasm - I meant it - I saw ALL boaters working together to help recover the raft, and I posted it here for all to see. It was a love fest with no membership cards or badges. I refuse to fight over this issue; I do love you all (in a brotherly way), I don't care about your dues paying status as much as you think I do. But I also refuse to apologize if sometimes we want to say something nice about the ACC on the ACC message board. If that makes you sick, then I'm sorry, you're just going to have to cover your eyes during that part of the movie.

OK, I know why I'm here posting; I'm out of state and can't go paddle Richland today. What is everyone else's excuse?

[prophet]

The ACC has hosted their fair share of this debate already. I think it is time to take it over to the non-club members forum. You know, the one that they host and take responsibilty for.

In fact, I think Deb Moore originally posted about the stolen boat over on that board anyway. That is how all the non clubbers found out about it and started keeping their eyes peeled for it.

The non clubbers should claim all their pride and service to the boating community over on their board and stop using the oft criticized ACC's resources to toot their own horn. Why do they hang out here so much anyway?





Jody


P.S. This whole thing reminds me of one of my favorite quotes. That much more could be accomplished in this world if people weren't all concerned about who takes the credit for it.

[Monsoon]

for Prophet!

[tomcat]

The ACC has hosted their fair share of this debate already. I think it is time to take it over to the non-club members forum. You know, the one that they host and take responsibilty for.

jody

I realize that jody is using some sarcasm here as I know of no non-member message board for this area (jody, you did take yours down, right?). I wish there was a non-ACC board. Maybe there will be in the future. Until then, I will refrain from posting here due to my chip.

Again, the ACC and this board do a good job...most of the time....but some of us are not club types. But lately, with the new members-only section, colored names and what not, it leaves the feeling that non-members are not welcomed. Maybe the ACC should limit this board to members only???

All this club-non-club stuff reminds of some of my country-baptist relatives who constantly pressured others to tow the religious line or be considered a sinner. It literally drove me away from churches...not to them.

amen

[prophet]

tomcat, my experimental board that I have since taken down had nothing to do with boating and was not considered a non-club member board in anyway.

Seems like the non club members enjoy the benefits of the ACC while at the same time enjoying their non membership.

It just seems a bit ironic.

jody

[Cowper]

No Tomcat, we love you, we don't want you to go away. Any time you want to know what is going over on the member forum, send me a PM, I'll tell you. It's usually pretty boring; old newsletters, board meeting minutes, that sort of thing. Threads over there don't seem to "live" like the ones here in the public view; the "newer" ones saw their last post in early April.

[Crane]

Good idea, Cowper... Don't tell TC about all he's missing over on the secret board... GAWD! I can't believe all the good stuff!!!

I would add, though, that just a few minutes ago an ACC member called me and asked me to check the Message Board to see if Brad's orange boat had been found. He was driving behind one that was similar... I checked the Board, called Turner Bend and we discovered that the boat really had been sold out of their fleet... BUT, I had the Message Board and a convenient list of Commercial Members with telephone numbers at hand to use in the process. No glory, yet, but about 600 paddling families out there are looking! That, in itself, is worth the price of membership in the ACC... not to mention friends who will follow a truck till it stops to check the boat on top!!