Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Stan and I are thinking about paddling from Hwy 14 on the Buffalo to Hwy 14 at Sylamore Creek. That is a 77 mile float and a 37 mile shuttle. The plan is to put on the Buffalo Sunday, Oct 19 and take out on the White on Friday. Oct 24. This is for experienced canoe campers only. If you are interested or have questions, post here, PM or email.
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Re: Buffalo and White River multiday float
Bull Shoals and Norfork lakes are still in the Flood Control Pool. Consequently, they are releasing excess water and we should have very cold, fast moving water for the White portion of the trip. The Buffalo may be another story. Unless we have really good water, we will paddle Bice Bend to Cold Springs instead of to High Burr. The mileage would then be:
6 miles - Hwy 14 to Bice Bend
14 miles - Bice Bend to Cold Springs
12 miles - Cold Springs to White River
18 miles - White to Red's
18 miles - Red's to Boswell
9 miles - Boswell to Allison
77 miles Total
6 miles - Hwy 14 to Bice Bend
14 miles - Bice Bend to Cold Springs
12 miles - Cold Springs to White River
18 miles - White to Red's
18 miles - Red's to Boswell
9 miles - Boswell to Allison
77 miles Total
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Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Since we are posting this trip on the message board, I thought I would post what goes through MY mind when I think what a trip like this requires as far as logistics, skill, and endurance for those who have never done something like it but might consider themselves EXPERIENCED CANOE CAMPERS, having done many overnighters. I have done several week and 2 week expeditions and even a 9 week trip in my younger days and I am not sure I am still up to it. I'm thinking about it, but not committed YET.
Not trying to be negative, just trying to help folks plan with eyes wide open, even if they KNOW or think they are experienced.
Realistically you need to consider the weight and volume of what you need to carry. Get that canoe out in the front yard and load everything into it before the trip so you don't get to the put in and be shocked that it won't fit. I still do this after 40 years as I don't take trips of this length that often. Remember that everything has to be lashed in securely. Heavy stuff down low, lighter stuff up top. Heavy canoes don't handle as well and Murphy loves heavily loaded top heavy canoes. Where you can carry all sorts of luxuries along on an overnighter, now you need to pare things back and seriously consider how much you want/need every item. Still important to carry a few un-necessary items for moral, but you will be carrying significantly more for a week than you will for an overnighter or even a 3 day trip. I have a hard time as I tend to carry the kitchen sink and a barrel of what if's. Where you could support a couple of kayakers on an overnighter, you will be harder pressed to support them for longer trips. They may not understand this.
Food: 6 days worth plus spares. Little to no refridgeration past the first couple of days, unless you have an IceeKool/Galaxy ice box or something similar that will hold ice that long. Even dry ice is time limited in a regular cooler. Means that you either carry a very heavy cooler or you bring and eat canned and dry foods that require no refrigeration. Smoked meats can be taken, but even some of those need refridgeration in some cases. Once dealt with 2 guys in the Grand Canyon who got sick on home made pemican and had to hike them out Grandview trail with us carrying all their gear and supporting them UP 3500 feet. Fruit usually lasts about 4 days, unless apples and oranges or dried. Same for fresh vegetables. Fishing can extend your groceries IF you catch them, but it takes time to catch fish and most of my fish cooking requires either butter or oil. Not to say it can't be done. I ate fish almost every day for two weeks once on the Salmon, but we had a support raft and took 37 lemons and 7 pounds of butter. Take lots of candy.... you or the group will eat it all. You can cool a couple of cans at a time in a mesh bag dragging along. Any more and you have a lot of drag and Murphy will lose them for you. IF cold, take a thermos and drink hot drinks. I personally have learned to drink what some folks call hot beer and like it. Powdered drinks have come a long way in the last 10 years.
Drinks: unless you are going to treat your water pulled from springs and the river, you have to carry enough to stay hydrated and cook with. I always plan on a gallon to 1.5 gallons a day. Long days paddleing as much as 18 miles per day means you have to stay hydrated. If you normally drink soft drinks or beer on a river trip, one case will last you a week if you ration yourself to 4 a day without sharing and you HAVE to supplement it with water. Plan on having a large bag of crushed cans to carry with you. Plan on carrying a lot of 2 liter bottles or some other water bags. Water is 8.345 pounds per gallon.
Health and hygiene: You can go a week without a shower or bath, but no one will like you. Clean up with water from the river, and washing/bathing in the river. Solar shower bags can be WONDERFUL, but will only give tepid water on cloudy and cold days. Get good at washing up with one small pot of heated water. Biggest thing, is kitchen cleanliness. NO faster way to get sick on a river than with dirty dishes, particularly if in a communal kitchen. Boiling water and a little chlorox takes care of this, but it must be done. No such thing as do it when you get home like on an overnighter, and on long days it means you will be doing it after dark. And don't forget your drugbox. I take about 10 pills a day. Double waterproof anything you have to take and let others know what you are taking. NO pharmacy out there so take anything you might need in your first aid kit. Anti-inflamatories, antihistamines, joint medicines, cough syrup, vitamins, and pepto bismol should be in your kit for someone else, if not for yourself, just like that throw rope.
Lights and fuel: take more of everything and spares. White fuel usually isn't the problem, unless the can leaks, but no where out there in most places to get more batteries or propane cylinders.
Bedding and tent: You have to water proof it. IF you have wet gear on on overnighter, you spend one night uncomfortable and laugh about it later. Do it on an expedition and you will be miserable potentially the entire time as MURPHY says it will never dry out. Plan on one or more days of RAIN and I mean getting up in rain, paddleing all day in rain, cooking and going to bed in rain. May not happen, but Murphy says it will happen to you at some point in the middle of a drought on a 6 day jaunt. Something you have to accept and go along with. If you have an air mattress, be prepared to patch it or sleep on rocks all week.
Clothing: you obviously have to be prepared for all the forecast and possible weather extremes AND have spares, but think about it. On a six day trip, are you going to take 12+ sets of gear (6 river, 6 dry land) or are you going to wear clothes more than once? Hardest thing for me is putting on wet clothes in the morning, but it usually has to be done. You can sometimes use two or three sets and try to dry one for the next day, but if it rains all day, be prepared to don wet or damp river gear, even with modern dry suits. Be prepared for all your clothes to smell of smoke and DEET, or suntan lotion after 4 days.
endurance: Physical, mental and emotional - I have paddled 88 miles in a day when I was younger. I ain't that young or dumb anymore, or at least I hope I'm not that dumb. As recently as a year ago I paddled 30 in one day. I hurt that night and the next day, and I paddle 5 miles or more 130-140 days and nights per year to stay in shape and have fun. I camp out about 45 nights a year, but rarely more than 2 in a row. I was sore enough after the 11 mile clean up day last week, I didn't paddle Sunday like Bob and Stan, and I was the person who suggested the Sunday paddle before I crashed Saturday night. Arthritus was cranked up. Doing it for 6 days of this length means getting up every morning, no matter what the weather or your arthritis, and burning water if need be to make your distance. IF you short milage one day, it means you have an even longer day facing you, as no short day or down day is built into the schedule. Even when younger, I always tried to plan in a "short" day to allow for emergencies or recovery. Sometimes we skipped it by paddleing longer, but it was built into the schedule and planning. Other thing that was built in to the plans, was an abort plan of where we could get out at each stage of the trip, if conditions mandated it, for any or all of our group, rather than fiqure out the bad news after it had already happened. That evacuation out Granview was planned in advance, and we knew what it would entail. Also got to consider the skill, training, experience, age, and any limitations of every single person in the party. For example, while I consider myself to be in fair shape, I have a repaired knee and 45% remaining heart function after a heart attack 10 years ago. I'm not going to be the best candidate to go running up out of a gorge for help. You need to objectively consider the strengths and weaknesses of every "one" in the group. Together you can be strong, but you have to plan for making allowances when you weave the group together. Everyone can be solo or in tandem pairs on a river but group dynamics need to be considered and pandered to at times. BE flexible, considerate, and everyone will have a good or great time. Recognise that everyone has different needs of personal space and timing and go with the flow. And what happens on the river STAYS on the river in some cases.
Emergency gear: group should have rope, duct tape, first aid kit. I also take a small saw, machete, fire tongs, tarp and spare wet dry clothes, mylar blankets, vice grips, hammer, wire, floss, sewing kit, surveyors tape, charged cell phone, cash and credit cards. Also take maps, GPS, and sometimes walkie talkies. Got to have good walking shoes or boots for land and water.
This post could go one for ever and even the books on the subject that I have loaned out do not cover it all, but these are some of the things that go through my mind when I plan on going on an extended length trip.
Hope I get to go. Trips like this are rare and the memories last a lifetime.
Eric
Not trying to be negative, just trying to help folks plan with eyes wide open, even if they KNOW or think they are experienced.
Realistically you need to consider the weight and volume of what you need to carry. Get that canoe out in the front yard and load everything into it before the trip so you don't get to the put in and be shocked that it won't fit. I still do this after 40 years as I don't take trips of this length that often. Remember that everything has to be lashed in securely. Heavy stuff down low, lighter stuff up top. Heavy canoes don't handle as well and Murphy loves heavily loaded top heavy canoes. Where you can carry all sorts of luxuries along on an overnighter, now you need to pare things back and seriously consider how much you want/need every item. Still important to carry a few un-necessary items for moral, but you will be carrying significantly more for a week than you will for an overnighter or even a 3 day trip. I have a hard time as I tend to carry the kitchen sink and a barrel of what if's. Where you could support a couple of kayakers on an overnighter, you will be harder pressed to support them for longer trips. They may not understand this.
Food: 6 days worth plus spares. Little to no refridgeration past the first couple of days, unless you have an IceeKool/Galaxy ice box or something similar that will hold ice that long. Even dry ice is time limited in a regular cooler. Means that you either carry a very heavy cooler or you bring and eat canned and dry foods that require no refrigeration. Smoked meats can be taken, but even some of those need refridgeration in some cases. Once dealt with 2 guys in the Grand Canyon who got sick on home made pemican and had to hike them out Grandview trail with us carrying all their gear and supporting them UP 3500 feet. Fruit usually lasts about 4 days, unless apples and oranges or dried. Same for fresh vegetables. Fishing can extend your groceries IF you catch them, but it takes time to catch fish and most of my fish cooking requires either butter or oil. Not to say it can't be done. I ate fish almost every day for two weeks once on the Salmon, but we had a support raft and took 37 lemons and 7 pounds of butter. Take lots of candy.... you or the group will eat it all. You can cool a couple of cans at a time in a mesh bag dragging along. Any more and you have a lot of drag and Murphy will lose them for you. IF cold, take a thermos and drink hot drinks. I personally have learned to drink what some folks call hot beer and like it. Powdered drinks have come a long way in the last 10 years.
Drinks: unless you are going to treat your water pulled from springs and the river, you have to carry enough to stay hydrated and cook with. I always plan on a gallon to 1.5 gallons a day. Long days paddleing as much as 18 miles per day means you have to stay hydrated. If you normally drink soft drinks or beer on a river trip, one case will last you a week if you ration yourself to 4 a day without sharing and you HAVE to supplement it with water. Plan on having a large bag of crushed cans to carry with you. Plan on carrying a lot of 2 liter bottles or some other water bags. Water is 8.345 pounds per gallon.
Health and hygiene: You can go a week without a shower or bath, but no one will like you. Clean up with water from the river, and washing/bathing in the river. Solar shower bags can be WONDERFUL, but will only give tepid water on cloudy and cold days. Get good at washing up with one small pot of heated water. Biggest thing, is kitchen cleanliness. NO faster way to get sick on a river than with dirty dishes, particularly if in a communal kitchen. Boiling water and a little chlorox takes care of this, but it must be done. No such thing as do it when you get home like on an overnighter, and on long days it means you will be doing it after dark. And don't forget your drugbox. I take about 10 pills a day. Double waterproof anything you have to take and let others know what you are taking. NO pharmacy out there so take anything you might need in your first aid kit. Anti-inflamatories, antihistamines, joint medicines, cough syrup, vitamins, and pepto bismol should be in your kit for someone else, if not for yourself, just like that throw rope.
Lights and fuel: take more of everything and spares. White fuel usually isn't the problem, unless the can leaks, but no where out there in most places to get more batteries or propane cylinders.
Bedding and tent: You have to water proof it. IF you have wet gear on on overnighter, you spend one night uncomfortable and laugh about it later. Do it on an expedition and you will be miserable potentially the entire time as MURPHY says it will never dry out. Plan on one or more days of RAIN and I mean getting up in rain, paddleing all day in rain, cooking and going to bed in rain. May not happen, but Murphy says it will happen to you at some point in the middle of a drought on a 6 day jaunt. Something you have to accept and go along with. If you have an air mattress, be prepared to patch it or sleep on rocks all week.
Clothing: you obviously have to be prepared for all the forecast and possible weather extremes AND have spares, but think about it. On a six day trip, are you going to take 12+ sets of gear (6 river, 6 dry land) or are you going to wear clothes more than once? Hardest thing for me is putting on wet clothes in the morning, but it usually has to be done. You can sometimes use two or three sets and try to dry one for the next day, but if it rains all day, be prepared to don wet or damp river gear, even with modern dry suits. Be prepared for all your clothes to smell of smoke and DEET, or suntan lotion after 4 days.
endurance: Physical, mental and emotional - I have paddled 88 miles in a day when I was younger. I ain't that young or dumb anymore, or at least I hope I'm not that dumb. As recently as a year ago I paddled 30 in one day. I hurt that night and the next day, and I paddle 5 miles or more 130-140 days and nights per year to stay in shape and have fun. I camp out about 45 nights a year, but rarely more than 2 in a row. I was sore enough after the 11 mile clean up day last week, I didn't paddle Sunday like Bob and Stan, and I was the person who suggested the Sunday paddle before I crashed Saturday night. Arthritus was cranked up. Doing it for 6 days of this length means getting up every morning, no matter what the weather or your arthritis, and burning water if need be to make your distance. IF you short milage one day, it means you have an even longer day facing you, as no short day or down day is built into the schedule. Even when younger, I always tried to plan in a "short" day to allow for emergencies or recovery. Sometimes we skipped it by paddleing longer, but it was built into the schedule and planning. Other thing that was built in to the plans, was an abort plan of where we could get out at each stage of the trip, if conditions mandated it, for any or all of our group, rather than fiqure out the bad news after it had already happened. That evacuation out Granview was planned in advance, and we knew what it would entail. Also got to consider the skill, training, experience, age, and any limitations of every single person in the party. For example, while I consider myself to be in fair shape, I have a repaired knee and 45% remaining heart function after a heart attack 10 years ago. I'm not going to be the best candidate to go running up out of a gorge for help. You need to objectively consider the strengths and weaknesses of every "one" in the group. Together you can be strong, but you have to plan for making allowances when you weave the group together. Everyone can be solo or in tandem pairs on a river but group dynamics need to be considered and pandered to at times. BE flexible, considerate, and everyone will have a good or great time. Recognise that everyone has different needs of personal space and timing and go with the flow. And what happens on the river STAYS on the river in some cases.
Emergency gear: group should have rope, duct tape, first aid kit. I also take a small saw, machete, fire tongs, tarp and spare wet dry clothes, mylar blankets, vice grips, hammer, wire, floss, sewing kit, surveyors tape, charged cell phone, cash and credit cards. Also take maps, GPS, and sometimes walkie talkies. Got to have good walking shoes or boots for land and water.
This post could go one for ever and even the books on the subject that I have loaned out do not cover it all, but these are some of the things that go through my mind when I plan on going on an extended length trip.
Hope I get to go. Trips like this are rare and the memories last a lifetime.
Eric
Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Has me slobberin all over.... but no way no how. I would have many things to work out to be able to go. But I would LOVE to do a trip like this again.. Last time, someone else did all the planning. And we had some supplies down river we stocked up on, ice, water, food.
Very good points Eric... except. There will be places to re-water when you get along the White. And your camping on the White will have to be at established campgrounds....right?
Very good points Eric... except. There will be places to re-water when you get along the White. And your camping on the White will have to be at established campgrounds....right?
You sure this is on the right channel?
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[quote="Clif Very good points Eric... except. There will be places to re-water when you get along the White. And your camping on the White will have to be at established campgrounds....right?[/quote]
Don't know yet.
Figured I'd jaw with Richard and Stan this weekend for the details.
ORGT group I was with relied on a spring that hadn't dried up in 30 years once. Was at midpoint of strenuous, testing, and wonderful 2 week trip. We dug down 5 feet in four hours with trowels to get 5 gallons for 13 people in 100F temps when it wasn't there near surface. we got some more by the time we had to leave, but no where near enough. Might not have made it with our full loads if I had not been carrying my 12 pounds of extra water. I took some flack for carrying too much weight, but it was insurance no one complained about afterwards. I could have always poured it out if I needed to. We all shared it in sips. Was on 150 mile Grand Canyon "lost and abandoned trails" trip, on special permit with one USPS ranger with us and even she was daunted when the spring was dry.
I'm either getting soft or smart in my old age. Just because I can do something doesn't mean I have to do it that way. Would be very nice not to have to be totally self contained the whole way or to be able to leave caches in place ahead of ourselves or to be able to go get stuff like ice or fresh meat or beer in places. Did I say that? I'm sure I meant to say fresh vegetables and salad. If we had parks to meet at, we could even have friends meet us for part way or to party while bringing us stuff.
I thought it would be 6 nights of gravel or sand bars. Parks aren't bad. Ones with hot showers are really nice. Just never stayed at anything like Buffalo Point before on an extended trip. Got to dig out my parks map with it's list of facilities.
Did take one step towards going and ordered a 2" Thermarest pad. My air mattress has let me down for the last time, and I couldn't afford a Paco Grande. I'll find the leak in it someday and patch it, but it will be for overflow house company now. May ask Tom if I can borrow or rent his fantastic cooler.
Clif - Think what great shape you would be in after rowing your cat for 6 straight days, 2 of them 18 milers. Lean and MEAN mon. A month's worth of daily gym visits. I'd spell you for a bit if you promised to give me back my canoe when I wanted it.
Eric
Don't know yet.
Figured I'd jaw with Richard and Stan this weekend for the details.
ORGT group I was with relied on a spring that hadn't dried up in 30 years once. Was at midpoint of strenuous, testing, and wonderful 2 week trip. We dug down 5 feet in four hours with trowels to get 5 gallons for 13 people in 100F temps when it wasn't there near surface. we got some more by the time we had to leave, but no where near enough. Might not have made it with our full loads if I had not been carrying my 12 pounds of extra water. I took some flack for carrying too much weight, but it was insurance no one complained about afterwards. I could have always poured it out if I needed to. We all shared it in sips. Was on 150 mile Grand Canyon "lost and abandoned trails" trip, on special permit with one USPS ranger with us and even she was daunted when the spring was dry.
I'm either getting soft or smart in my old age. Just because I can do something doesn't mean I have to do it that way. Would be very nice not to have to be totally self contained the whole way or to be able to leave caches in place ahead of ourselves or to be able to go get stuff like ice or fresh meat or beer in places. Did I say that? I'm sure I meant to say fresh vegetables and salad. If we had parks to meet at, we could even have friends meet us for part way or to party while bringing us stuff.
I thought it would be 6 nights of gravel or sand bars. Parks aren't bad. Ones with hot showers are really nice. Just never stayed at anything like Buffalo Point before on an extended trip. Got to dig out my parks map with it's list of facilities.
Did take one step towards going and ordered a 2" Thermarest pad. My air mattress has let me down for the last time, and I couldn't afford a Paco Grande. I'll find the leak in it someday and patch it, but it will be for overflow house company now. May ask Tom if I can borrow or rent his fantastic cooler.
Clif - Think what great shape you would be in after rowing your cat for 6 straight days, 2 of them 18 milers. Lean and MEAN mon. A month's worth of daily gym visits. I'd spell you for a bit if you promised to give me back my canoe when I wanted it.
Eric
Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Some Notes/Suggestions:
I have taken a number of extended backcountry trips where Gordon (my late husband) and I had to be totally self-sufficient. Some of the things we found helpful are:
Cooler or refrigeration? Nope. Too heavy or would not keep food cold long enough. Once the ice ran out then the cooler would just be in the way.
Keep most meals simple.
Breakfast? Instant oatmeal supplemented with Nutty Nuggets (Grape Nuts), granola & dried fruit. Milk? Use a creamy oatmeal. Variety? Switch around to blueberry, peach, strawberry, etc. If you like grits, bring along instant grits
Lunch? Bagels & cheese or bagels & peanut butter; after a few days switch to pita bread or rye krisp; whole carrots keep for quite a while
Supper? Freeze-dried foods work but there are cheaper options. Stove top stuffing – add to a mug, pour in boiling water, mix & add a small can of chicken. Quick & easy. Fantastic soups (buy mine at Kroger), add boiling water, stir & wait a few minutes. Varieties include chili, split pea & black bean. I usually add a bagel. (Yes I do like bagels!!!) You can use the same plan for microwaveable macaroni & cheese. This is not gourmet but it is quick, easy & relatively inexpensive. You can also place a Hormel Compleats meal package in a pan of water, heat the water & heat the meal. (Got this tip from Debo.)
Dishes? An old battered coffee pot (for heating water), a mug, spoon & a knife. I prepare my meal in the mug and clean it out as best I can. Then I have instant hot cider in that mug. It helps clean up the mug. Then I rinse the mug & spoon with “good” water. For this trip I’m adding a pan to heat a couple of Compleats meals. I’ll toss the container & wash the spoon.
No it is not gourmet. But I am typically tired after paddling all day. I want to just chill out & take it easy. It’s amazing how food that is not appealing at home is quite tasty when on a backcountry trip.
Clothes? I have 2 sets (wear one, keep the other as backup) plus a “sleep set”. The “sleep set” is sacred. I only wear it at night. IT STAYS DRY AT ALL COSTS. What’s in my “sleep set”? Long johns (top & bottoms), warm sox, fleece sweat shirt with a hood & stocking cap.
“Stan”
I have taken a number of extended backcountry trips where Gordon (my late husband) and I had to be totally self-sufficient. Some of the things we found helpful are:
Cooler or refrigeration? Nope. Too heavy or would not keep food cold long enough. Once the ice ran out then the cooler would just be in the way.
Keep most meals simple.
Breakfast? Instant oatmeal supplemented with Nutty Nuggets (Grape Nuts), granola & dried fruit. Milk? Use a creamy oatmeal. Variety? Switch around to blueberry, peach, strawberry, etc. If you like grits, bring along instant grits
Lunch? Bagels & cheese or bagels & peanut butter; after a few days switch to pita bread or rye krisp; whole carrots keep for quite a while
Supper? Freeze-dried foods work but there are cheaper options. Stove top stuffing – add to a mug, pour in boiling water, mix & add a small can of chicken. Quick & easy. Fantastic soups (buy mine at Kroger), add boiling water, stir & wait a few minutes. Varieties include chili, split pea & black bean. I usually add a bagel. (Yes I do like bagels!!!) You can use the same plan for microwaveable macaroni & cheese. This is not gourmet but it is quick, easy & relatively inexpensive. You can also place a Hormel Compleats meal package in a pan of water, heat the water & heat the meal. (Got this tip from Debo.)
Dishes? An old battered coffee pot (for heating water), a mug, spoon & a knife. I prepare my meal in the mug and clean it out as best I can. Then I have instant hot cider in that mug. It helps clean up the mug. Then I rinse the mug & spoon with “good” water. For this trip I’m adding a pan to heat a couple of Compleats meals. I’ll toss the container & wash the spoon.
No it is not gourmet. But I am typically tired after paddling all day. I want to just chill out & take it easy. It’s amazing how food that is not appealing at home is quite tasty when on a backcountry trip.
Clothes? I have 2 sets (wear one, keep the other as backup) plus a “sleep set”. The “sleep set” is sacred. I only wear it at night. IT STAYS DRY AT ALL COSTS. What’s in my “sleep set”? Long johns (top & bottoms), warm sox, fleece sweat shirt with a hood & stocking cap.
“Stan”
Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
My sleeping gear is nearly identical to Stan's
And then there are the "Essentials": 3"x30"x78" self infating pad on a cot with chair and table.
Do I take the 12x12 or the 10x10 tent?
With generators running 24/7 and water temps at Calico Rock at 60º F, who needs an ice chest.
I did some calling today. I checked with both the NFS and AG&F. We can camp at Cartney if we want.
Red's Landing is expecting us. Shower, flush toilet. camp area with table(s) $7 per tent.
Boswell Shoals is as I remember it. NFS enforcement officer said no two days are the same but we most likely will have few to no neighbors. I have his cell phone #.
All camping will be primitive (no facilities of any kind) except for Day 4 at Red's Landing.
And then there are the "Essentials": 3"x30"x78" self infating pad on a cot with chair and table.
Do I take the 12x12 or the 10x10 tent?
With generators running 24/7 and water temps at Calico Rock at 60º F, who needs an ice chest.
I did some calling today. I checked with both the NFS and AG&F. We can camp at Cartney if we want.
Red's Landing is expecting us. Shower, flush toilet. camp area with table(s) $7 per tent.
Boswell Shoals is as I remember it. NFS enforcement officer said no two days are the same but we most likely will have few to no neighbors. I have his cell phone #.
All camping will be primitive (no facilities of any kind) except for Day 4 at Red's Landing.
We are all afflicted with Cognitive Dissonance. The greater our religious, social, financial or political affiliation, the greater the affliction. We hear what we want to hear. We believe what we want to believe. Truth becomes irrelevant.
Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
I'll not be able to make this trip - health issues with my "better-half" - however I would like to comment on the advice provided by Eric and Stan. I've been privileged to made a few extended river trips over the last few years - please pay attention to their advice - it's RIGHT ON!!
We do not inherit the EARTH from our Ancestors, we BORROW it from our Children -- Native American Proverb
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Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Bob - please give all of our regards to your wife and our prayers that she get better soon. We will be thinking of you both.
I really think I am in shape enough for this trip and only question now whether I want to do it solo or tandem.
Susan sends her best wishes and hopes you are on the trip when she finally gets to come paddle this fall. She leaves for China for 10 days on Saturday.
Eric
I really think I am in shape enough for this trip and only question now whether I want to do it solo or tandem.
Susan sends her best wishes and hopes you are on the trip when she finally gets to come paddle this fall. She leaves for China for 10 days on Saturday.
Eric
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Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
well, it doesn't look like i will be making this trip!... have to be in hot springs early on friday.and can't make it work anyway i try.
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Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Like I said, wait until the last moment to see what is forecast. Overnight the temps rose and the rain and 30's forecast went away. See link below.
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http://www.accuweather.com/us/ar/harrie ... 1&metric=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Seems that the trip has been postponed to an undecided date due to lack of paddlers unless Stan is still up for part of it. Work, meetings, and classes cropped up and seemed to get in everyone's way. Another time.
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Re: Buffalo and White River Oct 19 - 24
Glad to hear of the postponement...............definitely would like to venture off on an extended trip. Knee will be fixed by then also 
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