Question about dagger axiom

[Caber]

I am about to get a new kayak and I've been looking at the dagger axiom
most reviews I've read are positive but I've read a few talking about
daggers plastic being thin and that the axiom has a bad problem oil canning
have any of u had xp with the axiom and if so what did u think about its make

Also could any one provide me with the names and make of kayaks
just like the dagger axiom from other company's

[Jim Krueger]

Caber,

Since no one has posted their experiences yet about the Dagger Axiom, I'll offer some observations, and uneducated thoughts. One of my wife's earlier boats was the Dagger Blackwater, it was a good boat, with no oil-canning issues, and is still in our fleet. Then we got her a 10' dagger Approach in about 2007, it too has been a great boat, with none of the issues you mentioned. She has moved on since then with another boat, but I have adopted the Approach for myself, used it a lot, and like it very much, I haven't had any problems with it at all. To this day, I still advocate the Approach to those wanting a crossover-type boat that is a little lighter in weight and cost than the LiquidLogic XP series boats.
In 2010, or there-abouts, I bought an identical-sized and outfitted Approach from a paddler friend to have as a spare since I liked the original boat so much. He had only had it a short while, and had made just a few floats in it, but I noticed that it had some oil-canning. It dosen't seem to really effect it's performance, but does affect it's appearance... I have always wondered why this newer model boat had done this since I had thoroughly given the earlier one a work-out over several more years and it still retains it's shape just fine.
I feel like the previous owner probably bought the boat a a reputable outfitter, rather than one of the 'big-box sports' stores, but I can only wonder if Dagger had slacked-off on the thickness of the material that year, or if it was just a Monday morning, or a Friday afternoon at the plant, or what. The main advice I can offer is to buy any boat from a good outfitter/dealer for the knowledge and support they will offer you if you're not satisfied in any way.
When I was a young man in the welding supply business, we sold Victor welding welding torches, regulators, etc., at any rate, their products were of the highest quality on the market, later the Victor company decided to produce a lesser quality product for sale in auto parts stores, hardware stores, and the like,however they were of a much less quality product and built for that market, with less machined parts, and overall quality. I have a sneaking suspicion it may be somewhat the same with kayaks, especially as their popularity has grown. In the case of the used Approach I bought, I'm pretty satisfied the outfitting is up to par with my earlier one. Some of the other kayaks I'm familiar with have often had a thinner-look about them at the sports stores, and the lesser outfitting has usually also been a 'dead give-away'. In the case of my spare boat, I'm guessing it was a top of the line boat, but thinking some problem with the company's manufacturing that year, or just that day.
I don't know. In any event, a good dealer is your best bet for a good boat to start with, and any support you may need later.

Best Regards
Jim

Best Regards
Jim

[Caber]

Well the main reason I'm wanting the axiom is for comfort while being
Able to maneuver like a play boat. I'm 6'2" and weigh 160 I have a
Wave sport fuse that is to big in the weight catagory but to small
in length and it gets cramped in the leg areah. Jackson has a
boat like the axiom and so does peranah but I don't know how good
They are.
So what your saying is that because of masperduction the quality of the
kayaks are suffering? is it that way with all brands because dagger
is the one that is getting pummeled the most from what I can tell

[tomOzarkVideo]

Dagger makes great boats.. You can buy an axiom with no worries.

You will get tired of it before you have any issues.

WW boats have much thicker plastic than rec/crossover boats.

[okieboater]

For what it is worth,

I am still boating a 1996 Dagger RPM Max I bought new. The boat has been all over. Is one of my most favorite boats, bent almost half way across the foot section on a Selway last river day pin, brought home, heated in the sun and then kicked out, replaced the bulkhead and unless I told you, 99 percent of the boaters I know (well Cowper might find the spot) would not know it had been folded.

In 1996 people were complaining Dagger plastic was bad. I see the same stuff all the time. Well, I have boated this kayak to the "Max" every season since 1996 and expect this kayak to outlast me and go to one of my boater buds who will continue the fun after I cannot.

Maybe my kayak is not the normal Dagger but it sure has been good to me.

I have a kayak bud with a Axiom who has nothing but good things to say about the boat's performance. According to him the Axiom is a great river running speedster, eddy catcher, surfing boat but I doubt most of us would be able to do the tricks the current short play boats do. My opinion, the Axion is a "updated" version of the RPM and if I am right it should be a fine river running surfing kayak.

[Caber]

Well the axiom is exactly what I'm looking for
Performance wise. I'm wanting to find a slightly
used so I'm expecting to have few dents and dings
I'm jut wanting to be sure it's going to last me
Thank y'all for ur impute its helped a lot

[happy happy happy]

Check out the wave sport diesel .

[Caber]

The diesel looks more like a creek boat. The axiom and others like it
have a thin back end The diesels back end is thicker. Wouldn't that affect
It wouldn't have the same maneuverability would it?

[tomOzarkVideo]

The diesel looks more like a creek boat. The axiom and others like it
have a thin back end The diesels back end is thicker. Wouldn't that affect
It wouldn't have the same maneuverability would it?

Diesel is a general river runner. Axiom is a retro play runner. The stern volume in the diesel would not allow for the kinds of squirt moves, cartwheels and other old-school freestyle moves. It will however, take a bit better care of you in big water.

If i had the coin for the dagger, I'd get one.