Spring River 8-14? River is UP!

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Spring River 8-14? River is UP!

Post by Wildwood » Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:12 pm

The river is up almost a foot since last week! :yahoo:
http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ar/nwis/uv/?s ... 0065,00060" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm floating tomorrow from Dam #3 to Spring River Oaks. :kayak: If anyone else wants to go, give a shout or better yet, text your phone number to 501-589-2055 & I'll call you..
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Post by tomOzarkVideo » Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:48 pm

:yahoo:

So good to hear that! have a blast!
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Post by Karla » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:30 pm

http://www.americanwhitewater.org/conte ... /state/AR/#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


This one shows it at 2.8 feet. Which gage is right? Can't believe that got that much rain to bring it up.

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Post by Karla » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:32 pm

Oh, also, Jan have you actually looked at the water to see if the gage is showing right? Is it really 4 feet?

At Hardy it is lower than the upper gage so which one shows the correct level and the level at Sadlers?

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Post by we66erno1 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:04 pm

That gauge is on the south fork of the spring river. It most likely is lower. But I will have a report from Jan this afternoon once she gets off the river. She said she went and looked at the takeout on Monday and could see that the water was a lot higher. But we'll know more once she gets off the river today
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Post by Jim Krueger » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:24 pm

I'll look forward to Jan's report also, do make a post when you visit with her. I have always liked to use the Hardy gauge
to get the best understanding of what the level will be like at Saddlers and the section I float up that way. If you look at the Hardy gauge presently, it shows a slight fall from about 2.97ft. to 2.94ft. over the course of the last seven days.
If you look at the level of Mammoth Springs (lake) it too shows a pretty steady level over the last seven days.

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Re: Spring River 8-14? River is UP!

Post by Cowper » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:27 pm

My money says no significant rise has occurred. I'm not a party pooper; this is the Spring, the reason we love it is because it is always floatable!

There appear to be two gages at Mammoth Springs causing this confusion. Gage 07069190 says the river came up 0.4' on August 9, then another 0.6' on August 10, several days before it rained. And then it held steady for at least 4 more days, instead of beginning to fall gradually back towards its original "summertime" level. And while this was going on, the river down at Hardy continued to fall. A one foot rise at Mammoth springs would be significant, and we'd see SOMETHING down at Hardy by the next day unless the Hardy gage was broken.

Gage 07069220 says it rained 0.4" on August 13, but it wasn't enough, the river just held steady. That's consistent with what I would expect for a summer shower, and consistent with the Hardy gage.

The two gages have different information about who is "partnered" with USGS to fund/maintain the gage. So I'm thinking one of these gages is in the process of being abandoned. Since the 07069220 has more data (like rainfall, water temp, etc) AND is giving me believable data, my guess is that gage 07069190 doesn't have long to live, or is already dead and just doesn't know it, like the proverbial chicken with no head.

If you want a better answer than that, like maybe some facts instead of just an educated guess, then you're going to have to go to the gage, click the comments link, and ask USGS what the "real" story is. (But guessing was more fun.) :ROFL:

PS: Jan's Plan was even better than guessing. Go float the river and report back!
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Re: Spring River 8-14? River is UP!

Post by Wildwood » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:57 pm

Well, folks, the river is up somewhat. I didn't see or bump as many rocks today as I did two weeks ago. The grassy moss at Dam #3 is mostly underwater. Two weeks ago there wasn't a clear path through it. The current seemed faster down to Saddlers. I didn't think it was up quite a foot, but it's up. At the dam, I think those metal bridge things could be floated thru. I have no idea what's going on with the gauges. Yesterday there was increased current here at River Bend but it seems to have slowed a bit today.
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Sorry I can't be more specific!

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P.S. I had a great day on the river! Only saw about a dozen people, (4 canoes & 2 rafts) and a few fishing below Bayou access.
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Re: Spring River 8-14? River is UP!

Post by huntark03 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:34 pm

Hey guys, maybe I can help. I am a hydographer for the USGS. The Hardy trip was just run last week. All the gages have been checked and are reading correctly. Also, to my knowledge, we don't have any gages that are being abandoned. I'm sure you all know this, but the actual numerical "gage height' is an arbitrary number. It is the change in gage height that we look at and how it is associated with discharge.

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Re: Spring River 8-14? River is UP!

Post by Cowper » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:58 am

Huntark03,

Your comments made me look again, and I realize I made a mistake when I jotted down the location coordinates for the gages. They are not both at the same location like I was thinking - the 190 gage, showing no rise, is at the Spring itself in town; the 220 gage, which shows a 1 foot rise spread over two days, is on the river just below the Dam 3 put in.

Since I still don't believe the river came up one foot, my new theory is based on something you said - "The Hardy trip was just run last week. All the gages have been checked and are reading correctly." If you look at the rise, the first step started about 11:15 AM on Thursday, the second step started about 11 AM on Friday. I wouldn't be surprised now to find that your people were working on that gage those two days, and did something that changed the reference level. I've often seen "un-natural" changes in indicated gage height during maintenance evolutions, that had nothing to do with real river level changes.

Thanks for shedding some additional light on this!
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Re: Spring River 8-14? River is UP!

Post by huntark03 » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:46 am

Cowper,

Not a problem. A lot of the change seen from the second gage can be attributed to any rain that fell in Missouri. That is where Mammoth Springs gets a lot of it's water.

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