Trip Report Buffalo 1/14/2012

[R_Corter]

Had a wonderful trip. River was at 6.0 (St. Joe) Saturday morning. Put in at Woolum, the first few shoals were pretty fun after that there not anything to get excited about. We mostly drifted paddled on the shoals. The river was moving at a pretty steady pace. We averaged amoving speed of 2.9mph (GPS). Had a tail wind 90% of the day Saturday. Caught one smallmouth about 2 1/2lbs. We camped below Peter Cave Bluff, right below the first shoal on river right. Sunday was short trip,cooked breakfast, broke camp and made it to Tyler Bend at 11:49am.


River Level St joe-6.0
Trip-Woolum to Tyler Bend
GPS Stats
Moving Time Total- 5hr 17min
Moving Speed-2.9mph
Odometer-15.4miles

[R_Corter]

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[Richard]

Do I detect a wood burning stove
I think I have been outdone. WOW!

One difference and it is only personal preference; I would have camped on a gravel bar, slept on a cot and no gound tarp. :myday"

[okieboater]

I was on a river trip where one of the folks had one of those sheep herder type stoves. Worked great!

do a google lookup but some are making them out of 20mm rocket boxes.

[R_Corter]

Here they are on photobucket for those that dont have facebook.

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[Cowper]

Do I detect a wood burning stove
I think I have been outdone. WOW!

The ante has been upped! The guantlet thrown down!

And Richard, might I point out, he did it with TWO people in a tandem canoe! You must be carrying something extra you don't really need.

[Eric Esche]

I love the idea of a wood stove (much more efficient, out of the wind, uses less wood), but what I kept thinking and held back on posting, hoping someone else would ask, was "What about fire safety?" having a wood stove in a synthetic tent with a plastic tarp underneath the stove. I've used old home made chimneyed stoves in tents many times, but they were always fire retardent treated military surplus cotton canvas M.A.S.H. types with metal sheeting underneath the stove if not bare dirt floor, and metal collars for the stove's exhaust piping.

Inquiring minds of folks who get cold easily would love to hear more details. I do not have a tent that big/tall anymore, but I have considered getting a radiant heater to go with my propane bottles, since I sometimes carry the Cabelas cooker for the Zodi Extreme Hot water system in the winter.

Thanks, Eric Esche

Oh, and BTW - I'm sure Richard has room for a little more gear as he keeps his CG safely low even if the canoe looks packed at times. I went farther than I should have in vertical CG range on ONE trip where we carried the most of the gear for 5 people and my tandem partner pointedly suggested that we not go there again as my super stable cargo barge (the Endurall) was very noticably tippy all weekend. The experience was a learning one and it did tell me what a wonderful tandem partner I had. And NO, we never tipped.

[Richard]

And Richard, might I point out, he did it with TWO people in a tandem canoe! You must be carrying something extra you don't really need.

There aint no way I will give up my cot. :myday"

[okieboater]

Having a stove along sounds to me like a great excuse to buy
A - canvas tipi
B - canvas tent IE wall or Springbar out of Salt Lake City

Been serious wanting one of the Spring Bars for a long time. Awesome tents.

[R_Corter]

Canvas has to be fire treated just like synthetic. Now i don't believe canvas is nearly as flammable as synthetic. Its all about precaution. Any fire treatment will also fade with time. I too am in buying mode for a canvas tent have been for a year now but they are expensive, last a lifetime though. The one i'm after is a Kodiak its 12x9 with a optional wall enclosure 8x8.5. The wall enclosure is floor less and would be perfect for a small wood stove to heat the entire tent. I would buy a glue or stitch in wood stove jack to put in the wall or ceiling. I have heard good things about the Springbar Tents. They are made in the USA were the Kodiak is not. The Kodiak just has better options and is a lil cheaper and made just as good from what i have read. Trek tent's also makes a small canvas wall tent.

As far as me not burning my tent down lol..... First its not a tent. Its an easy up from wall-mart with the optional side walls. It has a fire retardant treatment. The stove jack in the roof i made out of two pieces of high heat 1/4 rubber. I glued one piece to the outside and one on the inside with a high heat silicone caulk. The tarp on the floor is a standard tarp from wal-mart. I didn't check it for fire retardedness. I do know I knocked a large chunk of coal out on it and it just melted no flames. I would recommend having a fire blanket under the stove or bare ground. I thought about cutting a hole in my new tarp and backed out. Should have done it cause i put a hole in it any way. If the shelter would have caught on fire we could have went out the back or any side. The sides were only held down by rocks we placed on it.

Kodiak
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Trek
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[tomOzarkVideo]

I'm glad that you're thinking about safety. I have to say:

Looks like some luxury river camping to me!

[Eric Esche]

Thanks for the reply - I knew the plastic tarps would burn/melt as the ones I use to cover firewood piles at our camp sites, even the mylar covered one, have several holes melted in them from sparks blowing in the wind, another reason I find for always putting my tent far away from any camp fire, as winds do shift, usually to where ever I am sitting. Seen a few other people's fabric chairs get holed this way as well. The burn tests and research we used to have to do in the textiles department at Georgia Tech made me aware of how easily tents will burn. We burned several different whole tents, in addition to the standardized test samples, as part of a studies we conducted there back in the 70's and you would be amazed at how fast a tent can catch fire, even ones sold to the DoD. And as I sleep in a synthetic sleeping bag, on polymer foam pads, I try not use a candle lantern in my tent like I used to.

Eric Esche

[Richard]

Once again . . . we are talking about the Buffalo . . . right? Forget about the tarp. Last time I heard, gravel is naturally fire retardant, makes a great floor too. My floor of choice.
Leave No Trace encourages small fires. This thread has really got me to thinking about a LNT friendly corner fireplace in my tent. I would need to make some modifications to my tent. Probably do it to the one the coon already modified. I hope it enjoyed the trail mix.